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    x-7 = 19+x
    x^2 -7x = 19x + x^2
    subtract 19x+x^2 from both sides
    -7x - 19x = 0
    x = 0 QED

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    Incorrect. If you substitute x = 0 then you will get -7 = 19 which is wrong. The correct answer is no solution.
    Proof
    <pre>
    x-7 = 19 + x
    -x -x</pre>
    -7 = 19, a contradiction indicating no solution.
    You can see the fallacy in your work because ito get x=0 you had to multiply everything by x. However assume x is 0 you are simply multiplying everything by zero and all information is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertysaur View Post
    Incorrect. If you substitute x = 0 then you will get -7 = 19 which is wrong. The correct answer is no solution.
    Proof
    <pre>
    x-7 = 19 + x
    -x -x</pre>
    -7 = 19, a contradiction indicating no solution.
    You can see the fallacy in your work because ito get x=0 you had to multiply everything by x. However assume x is 0 you are simply multiplying everything by zero and all information is lost.
    but I added and mutiplied everything on both sides. Ergo it is valid. x = 0

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    correct, x=nrn
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertysaur View Post
    Incorrect. If you substitute x = 0 then you will get -7 = 19 which is wrong. The correct answer is no solution.
    Proof
    <pre>
    x-7 = 19 + x
    -x -x</pre>
    -7 = 19, a contradiction indicating no solution.
    You can see the fallacy in your work because ito get x=0 you had to multiply everything by x. However assume x is 0 you are simply multiplying everything by zero and all information is lost.
    This, you can see it without doing any work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peegee View Post
    but I added and mutiplied everything on both sides. Ergo it is valid. x = 0
    It's only valid if you plug it back in and get a valid result.

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    I thought I told you guys NO ASIANS

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    Apparently "asians" are anyone who knows anything about math.

    Speaking of which, we haven't had a "does 0.999... = 1?" thread in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Speaking of which, we haven't had a "does 0.999... = 1?" thread in a while.
    Why would you want to do that again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peegee View Post
    I thought I told you guys NO ASIANS
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Speaking of which, we haven't had a "does 0.999... = 1?" thread in a while.
    Why would you want to do that again?
    Because the people who refuse to accept it are always entertaining. And math is fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    Speaking of which, we haven't had a "does 0.999... = 1?" thread in a while.
    Why would you want to do that again?
    Because the people who refuse to accept it are always entertaining. And math is fun.
    Regardless I'm correct. x = 0 and 26 = 0 . But x != 26 that would be a fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peegee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by qwertysaur View Post
    Incorrect. If you substitute x = 0 then you will get -7 = 19 which is wrong. The correct answer is no solution.
    Proof
    <pre>
    x-7 = 19 + x
    -x -x</pre>
    -7 = 19, a contradiction indicating no solution.
    You can see the fallacy in your work because ito get x=0 you had to multiply everything by x. However assume x is 0 you are simply multiplying everything by zero and all information is lost.
    but I added and mutiplied everything on both sides. Ergo it is valid. x = 0
    If you want to prove that x = 0, then you can't multiply both sides of the equation by x to get that solution, because it will always result in 0 = 0. (Side note you also can't divide by x to prove x = 0 because dividing by zero results in no solution.) Take for example x+1 = 2. It should be obvious that x = 1, but lets go with pg's method. Multiply everything by x to get x<sup>2</sup>+x = 2x. Subtract 2x from both sides and you get x<sup>2</sup>-x = 0. Factor and you have (x)(x-1) = 0, giving the solutions x=0 and x=1. However, if x=0 then you get 1 = 2 which is a contradiction.


    There are many problems where you have to reject a solution because an answer makes no sense. For example you have a rectangle where the length of one side is three units less than that of the other, and the area is found to be 4 square units. You get (x)(x-3) = 4, which becomes x<sup>2</sup>-3x = 4. Subtract 4 form both sides to get x<sup>2</sup>-3x-4 = 0. Factor to get (x-4)(x+1) = 0. So x = 4 or x = -1. You have to reject x = -1 because you can't have a side with negative length.

    Remember to always check to make sure your solutions actually make sense. Also when using an esoteric process for finding the solution, make sure there is no way that is easier first. Don't use calculus to find the area of a circle, just use A = πr<sup>2</sup>. The calculus method is possible, but much more time consuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertysaur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Peegee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by qwertysaur View Post
    Incorrect. If you substitute x = 0 then you will get -7 = 19 which is wrong. The correct answer is no solution.
    Proof
    <pre>
    x-7 = 19 + x
    -x -x</pre>
    -7 = 19, a contradiction indicating no solution.
    You can see the fallacy in your work because ito get x=0 you had to multiply everything by x. However assume x is 0 you are simply multiplying everything by zero and all information is lost.
    but I added and mutiplied everything on both sides. Ergo it is valid. x = 0
    If you want to prove that x = 0, then you can't multiply both sides of the equation by x to get that solution, because it will always result in 0 = 0. (Side note you also can't divide by x to prove x = 0 because dividing by zero results in no solution.) Take for example x+1 = 2. It should be obvious that x = 1, but lets go with pg's method. Multiply everything by x to get x<sup>2</sup>+x = 2x. Subtract 2x from both sides and you get x<sup>2</sup>-x = 0. Factor and you have (x)(x-1) = 0, giving the solutions x=0 and x=1. However, if x=0 then you get 1 = 2 which is a contradiction.


    There are many problems where you have to reject a solution because an answer makes no sense. For example you have a rectangle where the length of one side is three units less than that of the other, and the area is found to be 4 square units. You get (x)(x-3) = 4, which becomes x<sup>2</sup>-3x = 4. Subtract 4 form both sides to get x<sup>2</sup>-3x-4 = 0. Factor to get (x-4)(x+1) = 0. So x = 4 or x = -1. You have to reject x = -1 because you can't have a side with negative length.

    Remember to always check to make sure your solutions actually make sense. Also when using an esoteric process for finding the solution, make sure there is no way that is easier first. Don't use calculus to find the area of a circle, just use A = πr<sup>2</sup>. The calculus method is possible, but much more time consuming.
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    math is for losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    math is for losers.
    and bert. asl?

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