Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16

Thread: Was "Atma" supposed to have a storyline?

  1. #1
    Friendship *is* magic. MJN SEIFER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Jasper's Park
    Posts
    3,556
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Was "Atma" supposed to have a storyline?

    Both times you fight Atma (posibly supposed to "Ultima" or "Ultimate") he gives these speeches about something, especialy on the second battle:

    I'm Atma......
    Left here since birth...
    Forgotten in the river of time...
    I've had an eternity to...
    ponder the meaning of things...
    And now I have an answer...
    This seemes like there was supposed to be some backstory here, I really don't understand why Square felt the need to mention that monster you fight twice is "searching for an answer"?

    Also, on a side note; does Atma have allies to summon during the first battle or not? Because I've never scene them, but Atma clearly says "Feeble creatures GO!" like he's sending these "feeble creatures" out to attack you, but I never saw them...

  2. #2
    she'll steal your heart Hollycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Strawberry Pocky
    Posts
    9,343
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    129

    Default

    he's talking about the party.
    This post brought to you by the power of boobs. Dear lord them boobs. Amen

  3. #3
    Fortune Teller Recognized Member Roogle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Lone Tree, Colorado
    Posts
    7,496
    Articles
    80
    Blog Entries
    3

    FFXIV Character

    Roose Dorvauldar (Gilgamesh)
    Contributions
    • Former Administator
    • Former Senior Site Staff

    Default

    You may want to look at the updated translation in the Gameboy Advance port in order to understand what the Ultima Weapon is talking about. Lines like "Feeble creatures, GO!" only add to the confusion about a topic like this.
    I believe in the power of humanity.

  4. #4
    That's me! blackmage_nuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Yes
    Posts
    8,503
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    In Albrook some random scholar in the weapons store says

    "I'm a scholar of weapons. 1000 years ago, during the War of the Magi, 2 so-called Atma Weapons existed.
    One changed a person's power into a sword, the other was an monster, bred for mass destruction."

    In the GBA version he sas
    "I'm a scholar of ancient weaponry. Two weapons known as Ultima Weapons were used during the War of the Magi a thousand years ago. One was a sword whose blade sprang rom its wielder's strength. The other was a monster born for destruction."
    Last edited by blackmage_nuke; 11-24-2010 at 02:57 AM.
    Kefka's coming, look intimidating!
    Have a nice day!!

  5. #5
    Memento Mori Site Contributor Wolf Kanno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Nowhere and Everywhere
    Posts
    19,728
    Articles
    60
    Blog Entries
    28
    Contributions
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    I doubt he was suppose to have any larger role than he did. I haven't read anywhere about a non-used scenario for the boss. I think we were just suppose to be "OH ! IT'S THE ULTIMA WEAPON I HEARD ABOUT EARLIER!!!!" He's got a minor back story that adds mystique to him but I don't think he was suppose to be as involved as the WEAPONS from VII.

  6. #6
    Fortune Teller Recognized Member Roogle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Lone Tree, Colorado
    Posts
    7,496
    Articles
    80
    Blog Entries
    3

    FFXIV Character

    Roose Dorvauldar (Gilgamesh)
    Contributions
    • Former Administator
    • Former Senior Site Staff

    Default

    Here is the dialogue from Ultima Weapon in the Gameboy Advance version:

    Ultima: "My name is Ultima... I am power both ancient and unrivaled...

    I do not bleed, for I am but strength given form...

    Feeble creatures of flesh... Your time is nigh!"
    I believe in the power of humanity.

  7. #7
    Triple Triad Ace Ultima Shadow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Waka Laka world
    Posts
    6,585
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default

    Small details like "he was used in the war of the magi a thousand years ago" does make him more interesting, even if it's just a small piece of information that plays no further part in the actual story. The details surrounding Atma/Ultima Weapon just makes the battle(s) feel more intense and interesting in my opinion. =P

  8. #8
    Fortune Teller Recognized Member Roogle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Lone Tree, Colorado
    Posts
    7,496
    Articles
    80
    Blog Entries
    3

    FFXIV Character

    Roose Dorvauldar (Gilgamesh)
    Contributions
    • Former Administator
    • Former Senior Site Staff

    Default

    There is a unique mechanic about the battle with Ultima Weapon that allows you to defeat it by forcing it to deplete its own MP reserve or casting Rasp and Osmose to eliminate its MP reserve by yourself. I thought that was interesting and I wonder why they implemented this for this battle, specifically.
    I believe in the power of humanity.

  9. #9
    tech spirit
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Virgo supercluster
    Posts
    17,950
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    2

    FFXIV Character

    Mirage Askai (Sargatanas)

    Default

    I thought it was just another subtle way to tell us that he is pure magical energy given physical form. Take away his energy, and the physical form ceases to exist.

    Also, I don't think that mechanic is unique to Ultima Weapon. I am pretty sure there are a couple of other magical bosses in the game that uses it. The magi master (or whatever his name was) at the top of the fanatics' tower would be one of them.
    everything is wrapped in gray
    i'm focusing on your image
    can you hear me in the void?

  10. #10
    Triple Triad Ace Ultima Shadow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Waka Laka world
    Posts
    6,585
    Blog Entries
    2

    Default

    Yeah, pretty much that. "I do not bleed, for I am but strength given form" makes it sound like he might be made entierly of magical energy.

    And if I remember correctly, the Magi Master will just be unable to actually do anything without MP. He won't instantly die from losing it.

  11. #11
    tech spirit
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Virgo supercluster
    Posts
    17,950
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    2

    FFXIV Character

    Mirage Askai (Sargatanas)

    Default

    Maybe it was that other ghost-like boss. The one in the magitek factory. They use the same sprite I think.
    everything is wrapped in gray
    i'm focusing on your image
    can you hear me in the void?

  12. #12
    Friendship *is* magic. MJN SEIFER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Jasper's Park
    Posts
    3,556
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Roogle View Post
    Here is the dialogue from Ultima Weapon in the Gameboy Advance version:

    Quote Originally Posted by Roogle View Post
    There is a unique mechanic about the battle with Ultima Weapon that allows you to defeat it by forcing it to deplete its own MP reserve or casting Rasp and Osmose to eliminate its MP reserve by yourself. I thought that was interesting and I wonder why they implemented this for this battle, specifically.
    It can be done on other enemies - the Flame Eater for example. It's also used in the Barrier Pillar in FFIX if that counts.

    Ultima: "My name is Ultima... I am power both ancient and unrivaled...

    I do not bleed, for I am but strength given form...

    Feeble creatures of flesh... Your time is nigh!"
    So, from that I would gather that "Feeble Creatures" are humans, and humans are gonna die soon? It's strange how the US SNES version makes sound like he's summoning his "Minions" (when he has none).

    Anyway, I have found the actual Japanese translation;

    My name is Ultima......
    The ultimate power made in antiquity......
    I am power, found not in life......
    Be gone, feeble creatures!!
    Again, this seems like he's directing against you, rather than summoning someone. However even with the Japanese version of the following i'm still none the wiser, to understanding his background;

    My name is Ultima......
    One forgotten beyond time......
    Not long after I was made
    was I left in this place......
    Thought have I on what I ought do...
    Kept thinking, for an eternity......
    It seems the answer is come......
    I just wish I knew what he meant by "finding an answer".

  13. #13
    she'll steal your heart Hollycat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Strawberry Pocky
    Posts
    9,343
    Articles
    2
    Blog Entries
    129

    Default

    the answer he is looking for is what he should do with his life. He was left alone after his creation for eons, which he spent pondering his meaning in life, now hes decided what he wants to do.
    This post brought to you by the power of boobs. Dear lord them boobs. Amen

  14. #14

    Default

    ultima... I was gonna pee in my pants when i readed its name. but it was too easy to win... but anyways. What i think about ultima, is that he is forming of multiple espers. He was in floating continent, and I am pretty sure nothing could have flewed it there.

    and its second forme, i dont remember name, was imprisoned by kefka? why? Well maybe because kefta couldn't kill it? this is kinda hole in my esper theory, because if atma would have been esper, kefka would have killed it for magitite.
    Maybe kefka wanted it to grew stronger before killing it?

    And it didnt drop magitite... maybe it was morphed by magitites in esper world? we may never know...
    I cant laught evil way... probaly thats the reason im not evil?

  15. #15
    Gobbledygook! Recognized Member Christmas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Pious Moose's HQ
    Posts
    13,527
    Blog Entries
    6
    Contributions
    • Hosted the Ciddies

    Default

    I alway thought Atma is an offspring of Atma Weapon. And when he dies, he will said something like

    " I am a WEAPON! LIKE MY FATHER BEFORE ME!"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •