Final Fantasy XIII-2

[Cloudane]

BIGGER!

They named a character after Spira's ancient technology?

[black orb]

>>> Lol, FF13-2 the really did it! SE has no shame ..

[nirojan]

>>> Lol, FF13-2 the really did it! SE has no shame ..

why?
honestly, what if they're trying to undo their mistake by making a better game so we have fonder memories of the FF XIII saga? Yes, this could be a shameless cash-in, but I'm a bit more optimistic. With their recent failures in FFXIV and the dismal reviews for FF XIII (albeit it sold well), I think SE is just trying to step up here in the quality scale.

Ask yourself: Would you really want FFXV out the gate right now? That'd be 3 numbered entries in the series in the course of like 2 years! I know most people just want to erase the memory of XIII & XIV, but seriously, THEY'RE TRYING!

[Hot Shot]

>>> Lol, FF13-2 the really did it! SE has no shame ..

why?
honestly, what if they're trying to undo their mistake by making a better game so we have fonder memories of the FF XIII saga? Yes, this could be a shameless cash-in, but I'm a bit more optimistic. With their recent failures in FFXIV and the dismal reviews for FF XIII (albeit it sold well), I think SE is just trying to step up here in the quality scale.

Ask yourself: Would you really want FFXV out the gate right now? That'd be 3 numbered entries in the series in the course of like 2 years! I know most people just want to erase the memory of XIII & XIV, but seriously, THEY'RE TRYING!

I completely agree and I'm somewhat hopeful for this title (and even more hopeful for Versus). SE said that they have taken fans opinions on board when making this game.

[Cloudane]

There's a cynical way of viewing anything. I doubt their intention, however, was "ooh let's create a game that has a really crappy last few chapters then release another game at the same price to fix it, mwahahahaha" - it's a bit of a gamble.

[black orb]

but seriously, THEY'RE TRYING!

>>> I hope they dont try then, that may actually work :P..

[Ouch!]

If you honestly believe that this action was motivated by anything other than profit margins, you're sorely mistaken. If they're trying to make improvements because of disappointment at the previous title, the only reason they're making a sequel is to save the game's image so they can move forward with future projects on a positive note. That decision, too, would be primarily motivated by money.

[Elpizo]

If you honestly believe that this action was motivated by anything other than profit margins, you're sorely mistaken. If they're trying to make improvements because of disappointment at the previous title, the only reason they're making a sequel is to save the game's image so they can move forward with future projects on a positive note. That decision, too, would be primarily motivated by money.

No arguing there, but if XIII-2 ends up a good game despite all odds, that's no bad thing. Then it's a win-win situation. For the gamers who get a good game, and SE who gets money. Depends on XIII-2, of course.

[nirojan]

If you honestly believe that this action was motivated by anything other than profit margins, you're sorely mistaken. If they're trying to make improvements because of disappointment at the previous title, the only reason they're making a sequel is to save the game's image so they can move forward with future projects on a positive note. That decision, too, would be primarily motivated by money.

Of course it was for money. Why would any company bother making games if it wasn't for money. All I said was that I hope it isn't a "cash-in", as in a sewed together project of unused material to suck all the available $$ out of JRPG market. I never said they were doing this for some crazed loyalty to their customers. There is no company in the world (whether it be gaming or not) that isn't in for the money.

And for your other point of them making the XIII look better, that's obvious too. With Versus XIII on the horizon, they can't leave a sour taste in the mass market with XIII, they need to refortify the brands image to maximize profit for Versus (when it drops). I think you made assumptions about what I said or misinterpreted it. Black Orb had such a negative attitude to the series, so I provided my thoughts as to why the next 2 games would surely be better (of course, I could be wrong). Hope that clears any confusion!

[champagne supernova]

If you honestly believe that this action was motivated by anything other than profit margins, you're sorely mistaken. If they're trying to make improvements because of disappointment at the previous title, the only reason they're making a sequel is to save the game's image so they can move forward with future projects on a positive note. That decision, too, would be primarily motivated by money.

Of course it was for money. Why would any company bother making games if it wasn't for money. All I said was that I hope it isn't a "cash-in", as in a sewed together project of unused material to suck all the available $$ out of JRPG market. I never said they were doing this for some crazed loyalty to their customers. There is no company in the world (whether it be gaming or not) that isn't in for the money.

This is a hugely cynical point of view. The corporates who authorise the game and provide a budget are in it for profits. However, a lot of the people who develop and make the game are not in it solely for the money. For most of them, they want to be in games development and want to make the best game ever.

[nirojan]

@champagne supernova
To be fair, i never specified the devs as the moola fiends. But the importance of $$$ to SE has become soo predominate in the last few years and you can see that in the sheer number of Final Fantasies there green lighting and no longer taking as many chances with side projects, because they feel like they're all going to bomb.

[Ouch!]

I just think being even remotely optimistic about the title as an effort to make things right in anyway is giving Square Enix more credit than they currently deserve.

[Roogle]

It is not unheard of for a sequel to outperform its predecessor in nearly every way. I hope that this is the case with Final Fantasy XIII-2 because of the amount of time that they took to develop the graphics engine and mechanics. It would be a shame for this project to go out on such a negative note!

[nirojan]

It is not unheard of for a sequel to outperform its predecessor in nearly every way. I hope that this is the case with Final Fantasy XIII-2 because of the amount of time that they took to develop the graphics engine and mechanics. It would be a shame for this project to go out on such a negative note!

True, Mass effect and Uncharted come to mind when I think of sequels that trump their predecessors (almost like night and day). I just hope we get the best game possible. Ohh and don't worry too much about the Crystal engine. It got used for XIII, XIII-2, XIV and VERSUS XIII. I'm just glad they stopped with those crappy UE3 games (Last Remnant I'm lookin at you). I heard the Crystal engine is extremely difficult to program for and as such the long development cycles for the SE team. Everything from textures, structural alignments, motion physics, facial animation, etc. is a bitch to do. That's why SE took up the UE3.
I remember when Wada announced that the rest of the games they'd make this gen will all be utilizing the UE3. Glad that idiot didn't get the last call on that one (investors saw how much the UE3 games bombed and probably put pressure on SE). Proprietary engines always seem to churn out amazing results. Another great RPG coming out this year is "The Witcher 2". The studio behind the game (polish-based CD Projekt) built their own engine (CD RED engine) and that game just looks amazing!

[kotora]

yeah because the UE3 engine accounts for the ty game-making skills of SE. The only thing that was "amazing" about FF13 was how much it sucked.