I'm so much better than you at being a gamer!

[Rase]

If any of you want to continue this discussion (and you probably will) lets move it to a more appropriate area, like the general gaming section to dispute our differences of opinions and leave KH3D alone. Anyone care to start a Hardcore thread or a PSP vs DS thread, be my guest. I don't want to continue this on a KH thread.

Just following requests.

Since nirojan asked so nicely to have the silly discussion moved from the Kingdom Hearts 3DS thread, I'll just toss what I was gonna say in here. Originally people were being all pissy about whether the DS or PSP were more "hardcore", but I guess you can discuss why the "hardcore gamer" group of elitist pricks exist and stuff too if you want. Whatever floats your boat, I'm just filling someone's entreaty.

Besides, the original argument wasn't about SMT, it was about which handheld was more "hardcore"! In that regard PSP takes a sh*t on the DS. Look at all the genres that appeal to hardcore gamers: Shooters (killzone liberation, Resistance Retribution, Socom Fireteam Bravo series, The 3rd Birthday, etc.),

Most hardcorelawl shooting fans would probably prefer to play it on a system that works well for the genre. Just my thoughts though.

Action Adventure (don't even bother arguing: God of War Chains of Olympus, GOW: Ghost of sparta, Monster Hunter series, Daxter, Metal Gear Solid: Portale Ops, MGS: Peace Walker,etc.),

Think I will: Zelda Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks, Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword, Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow/Portrait of Ruin/Order of Ecclesia, Henry Hatsworth and the Puzzling Adventure, New Super Mario Bros., Ōkamiden, Sonic Rush, etc.

ARPGs (FFVII:Crisis Core, KH: BBS, etc.),

Rune Factory series, Kingdom Hearts Re:coded, Infinite Space, The World Ends With You, etc.

SRPGs (again don't bother with this one: Valkyria Chronicles II, VC:III, Jeanne D'Arc, Final Fantasy Tactics:War of the Lions, Tactics Ogre: Let us cling Together,etc.)

Oh, I'll give it a bother: Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, Luminous Arc series, Advance Wars series, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2, Rondo of Swords, Knights in the Nightmare, Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon, etc.

"hardcore" is NOT a matter of opinion.

No, but knowing what it means makes you look less like an ass.

A hc genre is constituted by what hardcore gamers play.

There is no such thing as a "hardcore" genre. Hardcore is an adjective that is applied to those faithful and dedicated to something and resistant to change. Just because certain gamer twats felt the need to nurse their superiority complex by giving themselves a title means nothing.

I have a PS3, X360, PSP, DS, $2500 gaming rig and I spend about $700-1000/year and get all major AAA titles and most japanese niche titles as well. Does that make me a Hardcore gamer?... F**K NO!!

Fixed it for ya.

I don't know how you consider yourself a Hardcore gamer, but being a hc gamer is NOT a matter of opinion.

If I play every Harvest Moon game religiously, know the ins and outs of every game in the series, and can do them in my sleep, I am a hardcore gamer. Deal.

There is a clear divide between the casual and the hardcore. Just buying JRPGs doesn't constitute Hardcore. It doesn't mean your casual, but neither are you knee deep like us.

Hey look, more self-aggrandizing in a desire for any feeling of worth. What are the odds?

[Hollycat]

It seems that most people like the ds better, but how I define hardcore is nose to the grindstone, and while the ds may have a wider variety of unique games, the psp has more games that reward those who stick it out and fight to the end: warriors orochi 2, crisis core, secret agent clank, all ps1 games, dissidia, and size matters to name a few, whereas the ds only has a few. These games have the more substansial feel of a PS2 game as opposed to a ds's cartoonyness. The ds is for fun, the psp is for SOLDIERs.

[Iceglow]

On the topic of which console is better, psp or ds:

It depends on the user. If the user is a male between the ages of 15 and 35 probably his best bet is going to be the PSP system, there are far more games what appeal to this demographic on the PSP than there are on the DS, that isn't to say there isn't DS games what do appeal to this demographic but there are more well known/regarded series on the PSP. Otherwise however the DS has much broader appeal than the PSP over all it offers more variety of type of game but less realistic graphics it comes down to if the prospective owner is a complete graphics whore or a gameplay person. A graphics whore will choose the PSP time and time again because it looks better (undeniable, all nintendo consoles have managed to be fun but display graphically as a pile of junk. The 64 in it's day was being out done by the visual's on the PS1 and Dreamcast, the Cube suffered much the same fate against the PS2 and Xbox and then the Wii is just out of it's depth with the PS3 and 360 consoles though even the Wii can provide simplistic fun for all people)

Mainly for the benefit of Nirojan but on the topic of the hardcore gaming theme running through the quotes in the original post of this thread:

As for hardcore game genres, these don't exist. There are games which people play in a "hardcore" or "addicted" way. I am no exception I would openly admit I play more Halo than is healthy, I suppose in a sense I play Halo "hardcore" lol. In fact hardcore games don't exist full stop. Hardcore is a term to describe how a person applies themselves to the challenge/task set before them. If I was to go free running around my local town centre rather than walk it normally I might be described as taking the "hardcore route" if I sat down and grinded my way through Halo Reach on Solo Legendary in one sitting with all skulls on without using a guide for such a challenge (such as the one made by Tyrant) then I could be described as having a "hardcore gaming session" but otherwise if you forbid the use of the word hardcore, all I am doing is free running or taking an alternative route or in the second example I would just be having a gaming session.

If having all the current generation consoles a high powered "gaming rig" and a large collection of games made me "hardcore" this would be much like saying because I have a full weights gym set up in my home I am a professional body builder. I might have the equipment but that doesn't make it true, I could have it all there and only use 1/10th of the equipment present. All the gaming equipment and titles means is that you have perhaps too much disposable income to spend on games and should really think about purchasing quality over quantity and free up some disposable income to spend on more useful things such as moving out of your parents basement or something along those lines.

Your reccurring points about stating how hardcore you are are much like the crazy man declaring himself crazy it's pointless self affirmation of a lie. People who often call themselves crazy or insane are generally not, if you can rationally think it through and say "God damn, I must be crazy to do these things" then you're not crazy, foolish maybe but not crazy. Crazy people believe without doubt that their path is the most logical of paths and cannot see why we think that they might be unhinged. By stating how hardcore you are you make me think that maybe you're not hardcore at all and that you are desperately floundering in a discussion you cannot win because you do not have the knowlege or facts to back up your claims. Get over it quickly, the less you claim you are a hardcore gamer the more people might actually begin to see you as one.

[nirojan]

@ Rose
I lol'd that you started this, didn't think anyone would bother, but I'm glad there's at least one sad life out there with some balls! My life needing self worth? Yet you're the one who took time out of your day to come and respond to me . And by the way your a complete joke with your counter arguments. What pathetic rhetoric for your genre counters. Reason why you skipped shooters? Cause DS doesn't have any (ohh unless you wanted to bring up those COD ports). I'll agree fps is not that great without dual analogs, but you clearly havn't played any of these titles so no point in arguing if you don't have the experience. Action adventure: you use Zelda and Mario (which everyone likes) to compensate for the crap of the other titles. Okamiden I admit is good, but god why did bring that crappy NG game for? Legacy PS1 games aside, The GOW and MGS titles alone should bring the PSP on top with a rock slide. ARPG: Re:Coded was pathetic, Rune Factory and the World ends with you are amazing. SRPGs(I don't think you looked into this much): We have VP:Lenneth (remake of the original), Tactics advance 2 is not as good as WOTL and we have a better version of Knights in the Knightmare (in fact we have the whole trilogy, Riveria and Yggrda union).

And Yea im such an ass, thx for that. Hey if KB's an ass in your book than I guess it aint soo bad. Also thank you for whipping out your dictionary out to describe hardcore. Your join date is 2003 so i'm guessing your alot older than me (incase you doing the math, i was 12 when i joined eoff). Gamers today refer to hardcore as a "state" not the adjective that you so cleverly stated. Anyways im running out of time here, but the end all end all is: DO YOU EVEN HAVE A PSP? I'm almost positive you haven't played any of the shooters (you would've seen how they uniquely compensate for the lack of the second analog while keeping it engaging) any of the Action titles, because you clearly dont show any regard for how amazing those titles are and you should have at least taken the time to google all the srpg titles (with all the releases and better ports the PSP has over the DS). You know arguments presented without input from both sides (having both systems to compare) are flawed right? Not to mention biased! I entered the argument, because I have a DS, in fact I play it everyday on my way to school on the subway and when I have time to kill at the library. I have played a portion of the titles you stated and have at least heard of the others. And your discontent with how much money i sink into the industry leads me to believe that you pirate games and therefore don't appreciate my input into the gaming ecosystem. If you do pirate games, good for you cause you a filthy thief lol. But really, did you actually buy those DS titles you claimed? Yeah yeah i know,this is the internet and could just lie, but here's hoping.

@Iceglow: I'm 18 havn't looked into moving out of the basement lmao! And thank you for that run down of hardcore gaming! If you think I'm bad, you havn't been on other gaming sites. I'm a saint compared to those "hardcore gamers"! STOP TAKING IT SERIOUSLY! We're just trolling this it wasn't meant to be a serious discussion. And yeah I do have alot of disposable income (courtesy of my JOB <-you guy might wanna look into that miracle too, it helps against self-poverty), but what do I use it for? Already have a car, pc, laptop, clothes, money for s**t, etc. and most things people in my year at uni don't. So i spend on video games, a hobby im passionate about. How that resonates to me being a bum living in a "basement" is beyond me. Mabey that's your own current living circumstances that you soo aptly described. And you clearly have a doctorate when it comes to analyzing posts and stupid comments by the way you gauged my sanity through that.

And you know what guys? I'm gonna back off with the Hardcore arguments....think I went too far there and some people latched on too passionately (Responding like I shoved a log up their ass). Will gladly continue PSP vs DS though!

PS. Any admin/Cid's looking at this going "wtf" dont worry this is a flame-bait-troll-filled thread that we're just doing for fun (at least I am). I only responded cause he called me an elitist prick.

[DMKA]

I like how some people think being a "hardcore gamer" is something to brag about.

lol

[Iceglow]

I like how some people think being a "hardcore gamer" is something to brag about.

lol

Thats kinda my point, really what was it in the Ciddies recently I got voted 3rd most hardcore gamer on this place? Frankly imho thats an awful result I wanna be voted like the "never gonna be the most hardcore gamer on here" winner because frankly all being a "hardcore gamer" brings to my mind is negative images mostly involving having no social life to speak of. Frankly in my opinion I am a gamer yes, no point denying that since I play games. However thats where it comes to a close, I play games but I have way too much of a social life to keep on top of to ever be considered "hardcore"

[Bunny]

Neither the PSP or the DS is a good system.

[NorthernChaosGod]

ITT: casuals

Neither the PSP or the DS is a good system.

Lol.

[Yeargdribble]

I lol'd that you started this, didn't think anyone would bother, but I'm glad there's at least one sad life out there with some balls! My life needing self worth? Yet you're the one who took time out of your day to come and respond to me.

You're taking the "I laugh at people who take things seriously" posture so that you can brush them off as unimportant when the issue clearly seems quite important to you. You follow this up through your entire post with ad hominem attacks.

Action adventure: you use Zelda and Mario (which everyone likes) to compensate for the crap of the other titles. Okamiden I admit is good, but god why did bring that crappy NG game for? Legacy PS1 games aside, The GOW and MGS titles alone should bring the PSP on top with a rock slide. ARPG: Re:Coded was pathetic, Rune Factory and the World ends with you are amazing. SRPGs(I don't think you looked into this much): We have VP:Lenneth (remake of the original), Tactics advance 2 is not as good as WOTL and we have a better version of Knights in the Knightmare (in fact we have the whole trilogy, Riveria and Yggrda union).

So now you basically make this self-centered. "I don't like any of the titles, therefore the platform has no good titles." I hate seeing this rhetoric, though it's usually applied to the PSP.

If you think I'm bad, you havn't been on other gaming sites. I'm a saint compared to those "hardcore gamers"! STOP TAKING IT SERIOUSLY!

Once again, dismissive of how serious others are taking it as a defense against how serious you seem to be taking it. Also, just because there are people on the internet that are superior asshats to yourself doesn't mean you're not being an asshat. It's like kicking puppies and defending yourself by saying that you're not as bad as people who run over puppies with cars. Both people are still despicable.

We're just trolling this it wasn't meant to be a serious discussion.

If you are just trolling, take it elsewhere.

And yeah I do have alot of disposable income (courtesy of my JOB <-you guy might wanna look into that miracle too, it helps against self-poverty), but what do I use it for? Already have a car, pc, laptop, clothes, money for s**t, etc. and most things people in my year at uni don't.

Either you have an amazingly cushy job or your making some big talk. My guess is that your job gives you disposable income, but you still rely heavily on your parents. It's unlikely that at 18 you're completely independent and have managed to purchase all of the things you claim without someone else paying for the majority of your expenses. There's nothing wrong with getting help from your parents in addition to a job. It's great that you have one, but you shouldn't be quite so proud of yourself.

How that resonates to me being a bum living in a "basement" is beyond me. Mabey that's your own current living circumstances that you soo aptly described.

I see how you turned that around on him. How clever of you.




On to my own opinions.

DS vs PSP
This is an apples and oranges comparison and I personally like all types of fruits. I like both systems and both have enough games that make me glad about their purchase. Whether or not one is better is pretty subjective. Some people will like games only on one or the other. Some will purchase one and find the need to defend that purchase by putting down the other. Then some people will just enjoy playing games and not care what platform it is on and not try to prove one better than the other at the end of the day.


Hardcore vs Casual
This is such a silly argument to get into. Despite nirojan's entreaty that ""hardcore" is NOT a matter of opinion", in fact, it's just that. There are no games that are more harcore than others. What makes someone hardcore is a blurry line defined different by individuals. Someone will say you're not hardcore if you don't play only on the hardest difficulty. Someone will say you're not hardcore if you've ever enjoyed a Wii game.

I just want to play games and have fun. I play a great variety of games. To many standards I would be considered hardcore and to others I wouldn't be. I don't care.

If you care about defining yourself as a hardcore gamer, then you have a problem. You're just another pathetic scene freak who needs to identify with a niche in society through clothing, music or... games. Sure, you might be financially well off. You might make good grades. You might not live in mom's basement, but if all of your self-worth comes from how hardcore of a gamer you are and how much you can belittle those who aren't.... you have a problem.

[NeoCracker]

I just define Hardcore as someone who has a strong passion for gaming.

How far you take that passion and how much you let it interfere with other aspects of your life is another story entirely.

Me? I'd consider Hardcore without at doubt.

[nirojan]

@Year
plz read my posts more carefully, i said "I already have", doesn't mean i bought it, but that it's already in my possession. Yes my mom paid for half my car, never claimed the contrary. My job isn't amazingly "cushy", but I work 4 days a week. You may not think that's much, but for a 1st year that's like suicide! Why the hell wouldn't I be proud of my self? I think I'm amazingly independent compared to most other people my age. And your comments as to the seriousness of this thread, the other guys, with the exception of Iceglow, aren't taking it too seriously either. I like how you relate the fact that I'm responding as a sign that I'm serious about a dispute, seriousness doesn't really factor into this much. I'm just curious as to how they respond. Didn't say it wasn't important to me, just that I'm not gonna hunt them down for this. Besides I'm not shrugging s**t off,I'm responding to your nitpickings aren't I? If that seems like the "serious" nature you described then that's your opinion on my attitude to this issue. That's definitely not how I feel about it though. They're cracking obvious jokes for the pleasure of comedy and probably cause they think they're making me feel stupid. Again with the self-worth comments....damn did all of you gets some initiation back during the old days of eoff? Some glorified test to make you feel like s**t? Dissecting my comment bit-by-bit just like Rase, lol what is this your second account or something?

So can we get back to the topic or is this thread all about me ?

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

Whether or not you intended, you're coming off as "holier than thou".

As for "hardcore" in reference to gaming, it really only applied two ways. There's "hardcore" as in "hardcore" games versus casual games which caused a lot of strife for the Wii. Hardcore here takes the meaning of games that require dedication and tend not to be simply picked up whimsically, and casual referring to shovelware and games that can be picked up for 30 minutes at a time and often lack substance. Then there's hardcore used to describe someone's disposition to gaming or a specific title/series.

Best example of a game that blurs the line: Pokemon. Laugh all you want, Pokemon is often viewed as a casual game, and definitely it can be, but you can be hardcore about it too. Given the mechanics of breeding and battling up until Gen IV, not to mention the new mechanics Gen V will bring, Pokemon can be a vastly complex gaming experience. Without a doubt, I'd call someone who knows the ins-and-outs of Pokemon to be hardcore (in reference to Pokemon). It is really how you approach it: it can be either.

[Iceglow]

I was gonna just leave this to die but I saw some things which made me lol.

And yeah I do have alot of disposable income (courtesy of my JOB <-you guy might wanna look into that miracle too, it helps against self-poverty), but what do I use it for? Already have a car, pc, laptop, clothes, money for s**t, etc. and most things people in my year at uni don't. So i spend on video games, a hobby im passionate about. How that resonates to me being a bum living in a "basement" is beyond me. Mabey that's your own current living circumstances that you soo aptly described.

You're right about me being older than you, you're the same age as my eldest nephew, some 7 years younger than me. As for things to spend money on? How about holidays, see the world travel somewhere outside of the USA and actually live? As for being a bum living in my parent's basement, well consider 90% of homes in the UK don't actually have a basement, they have a loft but nothing below the home. Add in to this my age, working a full time job, having a life and you can do the maths, I don't live at home with the parents. I've been back for periods of time where my life has gotten rough leaving me no other choice but by the time I was 19 I was living alone or with friends. Love how you attempt to turn it around on me.

My job isn't amazingly "cushy", but I work 4 days a week. You may not think that's much, but for a 1st year that's like suicide! Why the hell wouldn't I be proud of my self? I think I'm amazingly independent compared to most other people my age.

You work 4 days a week is that 4 full days a week or is that half shifts? Please indulge me on this because you're sitting there quite smugly saying "I'm proud of myself for working" when frankly you could be working less than 16 hours a week which anyone, student or not could do. I know people who have worked full time jobs and studied in the UK, I know someone who studied and worked 2 jobs, both of which would have counted as full time. Sometimes people just do what they do and don't expect a blue peter badge for doing so, clearly you do expect the blue peter badge because frankly you wouldn't go on about how damn proud you are otherwise.

[Rantz]

Can we please stay away from the personal attacks and insults? Stick to discussing what makes a hardcore gamer, and/or how PSP and DS relates to that. The personal lives of individual members are not a valid topic for discussion.

[Fynn]

I basically agree with The Summoner of Leviathan. The initial argument on the KH 3D thread was actually my fault (sorry ), since I was kinda angry at Hypoallergenic Cactuar for saying something along the lines of "the DS is stupid, hardcore gamers like the PSP". To prove a point I gave the example of SMT: Strange Journey, and that's where all the craziness began. Like SoL, I think that a "hardcore" gaem is one that demands a huge amount of commitment (i. e. grinding) and it's not a game you can just play for an hour and leave it there. A perfect example is the Shin Megami Tensei series - when it comes to jRPGs of course. You won't survive if you don't grind enough/have just the right party combination/just the right strategy for a particular bos. Random encounters can destroy you, so you have to be on the alert at all times - pretty much the definition of hardcore to me. I also gave the example of "Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story" as a casual game. It does not require grinding, the battles are fun and light and you can basically just pick it up any time you want. I love it
But then again, I still think the "hardcore" stuff depends on opinion. I can basically only relate to RPGs since I hardly play any other gaming genres. And I also don't think genres can be "hardcore" or "casual" - only specific games.