Good games that you hate.

[Jiro]

A good example of not fully playing a game is MILF's proclamation of not being able to get thru the intro of Okami, I hope to god he was being sarcastic cause that is a f**ked up way to judge a game.

Once that smurfing bouncy thing starts speaking I want to stab myself in the ears. Being unable to speed it up, and the fact that everything takes so smurfing long really annoyed me. I left the room and came back later. I enjoyed Okami but ffs it frustrated me every time it tried to force feed me a story line in slow motion.

[Shiny]

Grand Theft Auto III

Critics and gamers love it, but I hate it. I can see why it's a good game to a lot people and it has redeeming qualities, but I want to burn it. Don't want it in my collection. Hate forever. If anyone wants it, I'll mail it to them.

Resident Evil Series: A long time ago, I loved the first one even though it was cheesy then I just realized they're formulated crap. I have played RE 5 and enjoyed it because it was a fun game. And I share the opinion with the rest of the series. If I play it it's fun, but I have strong dislike for everything it stands for. Apart from zombies and kicking ass I would never touch this crap. Worse story lines, cliche endings, and characters in the history of gaming. Don't even get me started on the voice acting. -_-

[Flying Arrow]

A good example of not fully playing a game is MILF's proclamation of not being able to get thru the intro of Okami, I hope to god he was being sarcastic cause that is a f**ked up way to judge a game.

Once that smurfing bouncy thing starts speaking I want to stab myself in the ears. Being unable to speed it up, and the fact that everything takes so smurfing long really annoyed me. I left the room and came back later. I enjoyed Okami but ffs it frustrated me every time it tried to force feed me a story line in slow motion.

I'm totally with you here. I can't stand the smurfing bouncy thing either. You don't have to play through even half of the game to get fed up with it. When it's not feeding you drab exposition in slow motion (as you said) it's outright spoiling a lot the game's puzzles. The kind of crap where you'll entire an area, the camera will zoom in on something curious (also a terrible practice) and then the bouncy thing will give you the most obvious smurfing hint in bold red letters. I hate feeling like I'm simply going through the motions when playing a game and Okami makes me feel like this more than almost any other game I've ever played.

[Jessweeee♪]

"Good games that you hate" makes me think of situations like "Man, Fallout New Vegas is a great game and all, but I am so smurfing sick of it because I watched other people go through the game start to finish literally 17 times and I'll probably never ever want to play it myself now. Also wtf, is Liam O'Brian omipresent?" Which is what I would say if anyone asked me what I thought about Fallout: New Vegas.

[Skyblade]

Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver. As a remake of a couple of the series' most popular entries, recreated with the more advanced technology availible and everything they learned from the past three generations, you would think these would be the best games yet. But they're not.

First and foremost, the Pokegear. The Pokegear was a device from ten years ago. It had neat functionality, and worked nicely, but has been made completely obsolete by the later developments in the series. The Poketch, in particular, from D/P/Pt, was a much more useful and convenient device. More functionality, easier interface (since you didn't have to crawl through menus), and a better asthetic (even if the original Gameboy style graphics did get annoying to some people). Instead, they decide to fill the touchscreen with the menu the entire bloody game. This is, of course, so that you can use the touchscreen to access the menu, but Nintendo has once again forgotten that the touchscreen sucks. For any sane player, the menu will be accessed through buttons exclusively, and the touchscreen will be almost entirely unused (except for the Itemfinder, which works great, except that you can't actually register it to a button hotkey for some moronic reason, nor can you walk around with it always active the way you could in D/P/Pt). Once again, gimmickry drags down a Nintendo game. Then there is the phone function, which is one of the most infuriating functions put in a Nintendo game ever. I don't mind getting calls for rematchs or items (although, again, the series had improved past that with the Vs. Seeker, and Nintendo once again chooses to go backwards), but since the game makes an annoying habit of calling you while you are in the middle of doing something else, like right before you enter a buiding or talk to someone, you wind up losing 95% of the phonecalls with no way to recover them. Fortunately, the important ones will actually freeze the game and make you listen to them, but it does have the effect of making the feature all but useless (especially if you play with sound off, since the visual notification is quite easy to miss).

Then there is the Pokeathlon. I hate this thing with a fiery passion. Granted, the extra contests have always been a bit annoying, but this one just totally ticks me off. D/P/Pt had a decent enough system for that. Poffins were easy to understand, easy to make, and infuriating to perfect. But, Nintendo just decided they didn't like the beauty contest either, and so junked it, the same way they had the previous contests. If they aren't going to stick with a single contest mechanic ever, it makes it nearly impossible to get any real investment in the system. Sticking with the same battle mechanics and just developing them further worked wonders for the series as a whole, but they seem reluctant to expand upon that at all.

And, finally, there is the other thing, which is the inability to evolve a lot of the Pokemon. Hopefully they will never repeat the stupidity of the Sinnoh evolutions in another game, but they really need to make an alternative way to evolve the Pokemon who could only evolve on Mt. Coronet or the Eevee evolutions only availible on the particular paths. As it is, the evolutions are locked up in HG/SS, which just does more to make the D/P/Pt set seem like the pinnacle of the games in that generation, which, since they were released first, means the makers of HG/SS messed up.

So, yeah, they are still good games. They just fail in almost every way compared to what we had in D/P/Pt. As a sequel to Gold and Silver, it works great. As a sequel to the entire Pokemon series, these games are kind of a let down.

[Old Manus]

I love Deus Ex. But it's not the perfect 'GAME OF THE YEAR ALL YEARS' that gets bandied about a lot. I mean, the first two thirds or so of the game are indeed genius, but after everything in Hong Kong, it sort of turns into a dungeon crawler where you just infiltrate a base, kill hundreds of baddies (I am quite aware it is possible not to), leave, repeat at the next destination.

Metal Gear Solid 4. I've posted about this game before, so I'll just quote it:

OLD MANUS PRESENTS MGS4 IS A GREAT GAME, BUT:

• The script is godawful. It's like watching a direct-to-video 5th sequel of Shark Attack. Snake's rousing speech to Raiden at the beginning of Act 4 or something, on the helicopter, was so heavy with cheese it was a surprise the characters didn't suddenly don berets and start conversing in french.
• Snake's voice in MGS1
  Now, I know he's meant to be all older and in MGS4, but it's just got to the point where his voice is so gravelly it's annoying, and hampers Hayter's ability to sound convincing.
• EVERYTHING IS BLAMED ON MOTHERsmurfING NANOMACHINES. It's like a Deus Ex Machina, except it applies to the whole pissing game. It's total nonsense.
• I complained about this after MGS3 came out, but what the hell happened to the whole 'tactical espionage action' part? It's turned into a goddamned third-person shooter. You're no longer encouraged to use any form of stealth at any time, and indeed the game gives you weapons and ammo at every oppurtunity. On the lower difficulties, you can gun your way through virtually every bad situation, whereas if that happened on the original, you had to hide or you were smurfed.
• The plot. I don't think anything else needs to be said there.
• Snake is a total pussy. Part of the character's appeal in MGS1 was the fact that he didn't give a toss about any of the other characters (including Meryl, until later on in the game), and would openly call Otacon an 'idiot'. By MGS4, he's some kind of altrustic second coming of christ with a massive hero complex, who just takes from everyone and goes all emo and WHY DO I FIGHT ;_; I felt sorry for the guy.

Finally, I thought Shadow of the Colossus was a teeny bit boring.

[Madame Adequate]

A good example of not fully playing a game is MILF's proclamation of not being able to get thru the intro of Okami, I hope to god he was being sarcastic cause that is a f**ked up way to judge a game.

But the thread is about good games. I'm not judging Okami, it just bored the out of me, I don't doubt that the people who laud it as the Second Coming had an astonishingly good time with it.

And anyway, far worse than that is people not getting into Baldur's Gate, Deus Ex, or pretty much any game Wolf Kanno mentions (Well, barring Zelda) because his taste is strange and truly alien to me. I just... what kind of deranged mind-addling disease do you have to have to like FFXII more than FFX?

Also
>Flying Arrow
>Dislikes giant robots
Don't even have enough "Wat" to emphasize how conclusively I fail to wrap my head around this. I don't even.

[Vyk]

I struggled to keep myself motivated to get through SotC as well. The game was beautiful in more ways than just one, but it could have done with a few less colossi. I enjoyed Ico a lot more, but there was a lot more to do in that game

[Wolf Kanno]

pretty much any game Wolf Kanno mentions (Well, barring Zelda) because his taste is strange and truly alien to me. I just... what kind of deranged mind-addling disease do you have to have to like FFXII more than FFX?

Well actually being a game is a good start for XII. Rather than a cheesy soap opera version of an overused Japanese legend that anybody who is fairly familiar with anime in the past 20+ years has heard a billion times, comes to mind. Going from IX to X to XII, I kind of feel that X is missing something... oh right, its missing "fun".

So I'm eccentric, that's nothing new. Though to be honest, part of my dislike from WRPGs hails from the fact that I prefer a bit more structure. Having a blank slate who can be anything and have any personality doesn't engage me and I never felt it made for good story telling. Awful VA work never helps either. Halfway through these games, I just feel like I could get a more meaningful experience out of a traditional PnP RPG, so for me, the sub-genre doesn't add anything that another genre doesn't already do better. Maybe Mass Effect will change that but who knows.

Then again I can understand your thoughts, I can't fathom anyone who wouldn't like Chrono Trigger, Persona 3, or any of the Ico Team's games.

[VeloZer0]

I was thinking about your comments about the people on this forum who are dead to you, and I was wondering what other games people could mention that would get the same reaction. And then I thought of Persona. And then I remembered I found it completely un-playable. (P4, In the personal taste sense, not the broken game sense)

I kind of feel that X is missing something... oh right, its missing "fun".

Really? Because I though 10 and 12 both completely blew from a world/characters/story point of view, the only difference is I had some fun with the FF10 battle system So completely opposite of what you said.

[Proxy]

Halo D=

lawl. Halo isn't a "good" game. It's barely passable as ok. Its just bright, colorful, and it was a newish idea at the time, and has the easiest learning curve of almost any game I've played.
Yes I play halo, halo2, and halo3 but only for the above reasons.

Xenosaga: I just could NOT get into it. I loved Xenogears, the best story line I've ever seen in a video game. Xenosaga was just so boring, slow paced and was missing a lot.

[Wolf Kanno]

I was thinking about your comments about the people on this forum who are dead to you, and I was wondering what other games people could mention that would get the same reaction. And then I thought of Persona. And then I remembered I found it completely un-playable. (P4, In the personal taste sense, not the broken game sense)

I kind of feel that X is missing something... oh right, its missing "fun".

Really? Because I though 10 and 12 both completely blew from a world/characters/story point of view, the only difference is I had some fun with the FF10 battle system So completely opposite of what you said.

You already knew you were dead to me for XII and I know of your P4 loathing but then again, you are more picky than I am, I'm just more vocal about my tastes.

FFX's system sucks, it has no strategy beyond "let's see if I can switch everyone out in time to kill every enemy type so I don't get hit. Well I'll be damned I can and it only involves adding three more steps to the most tedious part of JRPGs which is random encounters" Yeah Square, that was smart, let's make the most tedious part of the game longer and easy. At least when I was mashing X in the PS1 era to get through battles, they only lasted a few seconds. Not to mention FFX has probably one of the worst battle themes in the series which doesn' help how tediously long they are.

[Fynn]

Not to mention FFX has probably one of the worst battle themes in the series which doesn' help how tediously long they are.

Oh dear GOD, THIS! The man has spoken the truth! Wolf, you are truly an inspiration and it's thanks to people like you that I still have some faith in the gaming community

Hope I'm not dead to you for not enjoying Parasite Eve, though

[Wolf Kanno]

I never got far enough into PE to form a real opinion of it. It was pretty promising what I've played, I should get back to it cause I sort of forgot I own a copy. :sweatdrop:

[LunarWeaver]

Halo D=

lawl. Halo isn't a "good" game. It's barely passable as ok. Its just bright, colorful, and it was a newish idea at the time, and has the easiest learning curve of almost any game I've played.
Yes I play halo, halo2, and halo3 but only for the above reasons.

This whole thread can really enter subjective territory easily, but overall Halo had the critical acclaim, sales, and plenty of dedicated fans. I suppose for this topic I use that as the gauge for what could constitute as "good". What else is there? I have played all 3 and don't see anything particularly wrong with it, but I too never saw anything particularly special about it either. So we're in the same boat, but I still give Halo the general "good game I just don't like" label.