Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Shlup]

Jaime is a good fighter, and he's a symbol to the Lannisters, but that's about it. He's already been captured, and that morale blow isn't going to be completely undone just because he's back. major book spoilerBesides the fact that he doesn't make it back in one piece... The girls being captive is also a huge blow the the Northern army, and makes them weaker in that they don't want to do anything that could get the girls killed. Lannisters are tricky, but they always pay their debts. I don't agree that it was all that stupid. I really doubt that there are many people who, seeing one opportunity to get their children back from the people who murdered their husband, would pass that up because he's a good war prize, especially what with so many people in that camp already planning on killing him.

Every single character does at least one thing as stupid as anything Cat has done. I don't get why she gets so much crap for the things she does for her kids, while the motivations for most of the bad decisions made my characters in this series are done for far stupider reasons.

[Freya]

He's not just a symbol he is one of THE lannisters. He's not some cousin or anything, that's a direct slap in the face to them. If they, the northern army, were really worried about the girls as an army they wouldn't fight the war at all. Yet, they are, so they must not care that much. Cat gets the hate because she deserves it. At least others redeem themselves in their mistakes. Cat just keeps making more of them. She claims she makes them for the safety of her children but by doing so she endangers more of her children. All the men do want to harm jamie but by her releasing him it makes robb weak and discord with them and puts him in danger. Good job Cat!

[Miriel]

Um, didn't they explicitly say that Mr. Handsome Man Kingslayer was going to die that night? If I were Cat, and the options were A) Let the mob take his head off, or B) I could try and trade him for my girls, I would try and trade him.

Calling out Cat as being especially stupid is the stupidest thing ever. Because as far as I'm concerned, pretty much everyone on this show aside from Tyrion and Arya are idiots. Ned was stupid, Theon is stupid, Jon Snow seems epically stupid AND emo, even Daenerys is not too bright. Who leaves their dragons alone in a strange place? I mean, really now.

Just a bunch of stupid people killing each other or getting naked with each other. That's what this show is. And on that note, I am so tired of seeing so many tits and ass from the women and hardly anything at all from the men. I wanted that silly nurse girl's butt to get out of the way (even though it was a very nice butt) so that I could get some Rob eyecandy. But nooooo, it's always with the naked girls. That pisses me off. Sexism, dammit!

[Freya]

I found this, it amused me. A chicken will move.

[Shlup]

He's not just a symbol he is one of THE lannisters. He's not some cousin or anything, that's a direct slap in the face to them. If they, the northern army, were really worried about the girls as an army they wouldn't fight the war at all. Yet, they are, so they must not care that much. Cat gets the hate because she deserves it. At least others redeem themselves in their mistakes. Cat just keeps making more of them. She claims she makes them for the safety of her children but by doing so she endangers more of her children. All the men do want to harm jamie but by her releasing him it makes robb weak and discord with them and puts him in danger. Good job Cat!

I disagree with all of this quite a lot. Also, Cat doesn't want this war. She doesn't dig vengeance.

Um, didn't they explicitly say that Mr. Handsome Man Kingslayer was going to die that night? If I were Cat, and the options were A) Let the mob take his head off, or B) I could try and trade him for my girls, I would try and trade him.

Calling out Cat as being especially stupid is the stupidest thing ever.

*hi5*

And on that note, I am so tired of seeing so many tits and ass from the women and hardly anything at all from the men. I wanted that silly nurse girl's butt to get out of the way (even though it was a very nice butt) so that I could get some Rob eyecandy. But nooooo, it's always with the naked girls. That pisses me off. Sexism, dammit!

This too! Naked women are pretty and all, but the only dongs we've gotten have been Hodor's and Theon's. Theon looked pretty good naked, but he's a total butterface. The Chaplin girl had a very nice bum, but I wanted to throw things at the screen when the scene cut before showing me Robb's goodies. Life is so unfair.

[Rantz]

Calling out Cat as being especially stupid is the stupidest thing ever. Because as far as I'm concerned, pretty much everyone on this show aside from Tyrion and Arya are idiots. Ned was stupid, Theon is stupid, Jon Snow seems epically stupid AND emo, even Daenerys is not too bright. Who leaves their dragons alone in a strange place? I mean, really now.

I never let my dragons out of sight.

And on that note, I am so tired of seeing so many tits and ass from the women and hardly anything at all from the men. I wanted that silly nurse girl's butt to get out of the way (even though it was a very nice butt) so that I could get some Rob eyecandy. But nooooo, it's always with the naked girls. That pisses me off. Sexism, dammit!

This too! Naked women are pretty and all, but the only dongs we've gotten have been Hodor's and Theon's. Theon looked pretty good naked, but he's a total butterface. The Chaplin girl had a very nice bum, but I wanted to throw things at the screen when the scene cut before showing me Robb's goodies. Life is so unfair.

It could be argued that Hodor showed twice as much skin as any girl has so far...

[Jinx]

And on that note, I am so tired of seeing so many tits and ass from the women and hardly anything at all from the men. I wanted that silly nurse girl's butt to get out of the way (even though it was a very nice butt) so that I could get some Rob eyecandy. But nooooo, it's always with the naked girls. That pisses me off. Sexism, dammit!

This too! Naked women are pretty and all, but the only dongs we've gotten have been Hodor's and Theon's. Theon looked pretty good naked, but he's a total butterface. The Chaplin girl had a very nice bum, but I wanted to throw things at the screen when the scene cut before showing me Robb's goodies. Life is so unfair.

We also so the dong of the guy who tried to assassinate Dany in season one. I too wanted to see Robb dong.

Chaplin's boobies were nice too.

[Psychotic]

Cat is stupid. Deal with it. This time though yes her actions were driven by grief rather than just plain ol' garden variety stupid like the time she captured Tyrion, which caused all of it, the war, Ned's death, all of it.

[Cuchulainn]

Cat is the most idiotic annoying smurfer in the books. This one woman caused a war, got ppl she loved killed and has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old One Direction fan.

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Interesting Fact: Oona Chaplin is Charlie Chaplins granddaugter and the great granddaughter of of the Nobel laureate Eugene O'Neill, who disowned his daughter for marrying Chaplain.

[Shlup]

You people are gross.

Jaime pushed Bran out a window, book spoiler?Joffrey sent an assassin after Bran using Tyrion's knife, Cat arrested Tyrion, Jaime attacked Ned in the streets and killed a bunch of his men. That was pretty much the end of that. The war started because Ned found out about the incest and was stupid enough to warn Cersei, which got him arrested, and then Joffrey killed Ned even after he swallowed his pride and falsely confessed to treason. That's what started the war.

book spoiler?Joffrey tried to kill Bran, but left evidence that it was Tyrion, leading Cat to arrest Tyrion. Joffrey killed Ned after being told not to. Yet you all blame Cat. Call her stupid, despite every single character making huge mistakes that lead to bunches of people dying. Name a character and I will name a decision they made that led to worse consequences than anything Catelyn has done. You all are dumbtits and I hate you and I hope it rains on your wedding day.

[Del Murder]

book spoiler?Are you sure it was Joffrey who tried to kill Bran? Kid was 12 at the time. Hard to plan an assassination at that age, especially for something you are seemingly unaware of. Unless that is a future book spoiler. That whole thing was never explained properly.

[Shlup]

I don't think it's a book spoiler. I spoiler tagged our posts just in case though. I'm pretty sure they laid out who ordered what in the show, though I don't think they were very explicit about it. I do know they said in the show that Joffrey ordered the Gold Cloaks to kill all of Robert's bastards, when in the books that was Cersei. They're making Cersei more human in the show, and making Joffrey more of a sociopath. The scene with him abusing the hookers didn't happen in the books.

[Freya]

Jamie attacked Ned in the street BECAUSE cat capture Tyrion. Causing Jamie to flee and the Lannisters to start raising and army. So the lannisters were already kinda "WTH MAN?!" At the Starks then Cersei hears from the silly little girl that Ned is planning on leaving/outing her incest. Well of course she tries to make the first move. He's about to ruin them. He makes the mistake of tellin' her he knows about it and as far as she knew he had evidence to prove it. And when Robert goes "yo give back tyrion" On his death bed, Ned's all "i can't it's my wife sorry" Because he wants to defend her honor as well as his. They could have avoided the whole mess and just gave Tyrion back and actually presented the evidence of the "assassination" and brought it all to light in public so people could see why they'd ever capture Tyrion.

But noooooooo Cat decided to take it upon herself to exact her own vengeance. She's not concerned with vengeance? If she wasn't she wouldn't have captured Tyrion. By Capturing Tyrion she causes Jamie to retaliate out of anger and attack Ned in the streets which causes the Lannisters to start hating the Starks openly so when Ned does make his "heeeey not your son" move it makes him look even worse cause they have this recent beef with them. So when they get ned to "confess" that he's a traitor he looks EVEN worse with everything else tacked on. And while they shouldn't have beheaded him because he was a war asset, he didn't have the best case behind him for them not to. Joff is a little prick, there is no denying that.

[Bunny]

Cat is the most idiotic annoying smurfer in the books. This one woman caused a war, got ppl she loved killed and has the emotional maturity of a 13 year old One Direction fan.

Which war did she cause?

[Shlup]

There is no change in hell that Cersei wouldn't have arrested/killed Ned after hearing he knew about the incest, which is what caused Robb to go to war. Stannis and Renly joined in because they heard about the incest. None of that has to do with Catelyn taking Tyrion into custody. If she hadn't taken Tyrion into custody, the war still would have happened in the same way. The only difference is that Jaime wouldn't have attacked Ned in the streets, which was a stupid move on Jaime's part--blaming Catelyn for something Jaime did is messed up.

I forgot about Sansa being the one to tell Cersei that Ned was planning on GTFOing. She's a naive little girl who learned to shut the smurf up pretty quickly after that, though, so I'm not gonna call her stupid for it.

Catelyn arresting Tyrion pissed the Lannisters off, but not as much as Ned threatening to out them for the incest. I really have no idea why people are so hellbent on blaming Catelyn for something she had nothing to do with. I know Ned is a beloved character, but the war started because he played the game poorly, and because Joffrey is a trout.