Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Shorty]

I really, really enjoyd Cersei's and Margaery's little chat at the beginning. It seemed clear to me at first that Cersei was intending to intimidate Margaery, and then she exposed weakness to her in a sense, admitting that her son doesn't need her help, but the help of another. I wonder if it's a trick somehow. Cersei doesn't seem the type to just roll over when her territory is being threatened. Then again, she is stricken with grief over Joffrey still, and grief makes people behave strangely.

SORRY BUT ROBIN ARRYN IS FREAKING ADORABLE AS A LITTLE TEEN BOY OR WHATEVER EVEN IF HE IS A LITTLE trout

ALSO LYSA AND LITTLEFINGER BOOK STUFFI DO NOT smurfING REMEMBER THAT BUSINESS ABOUT LYSA AND LITTLEFINGER PLOTTING TO KILL JON ARRYN WAS THAT smurfING REVEALED IN THE BOOK BECAUSE I DO NOT REMEMBER IT Lysa's actress is so damn good at playing her part, jesus. She's so good. Poor Sansa, though, good god. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

It's interesting to see Cersei being so civil about her marriage and when Tywin advised her he could not discuss the trial with her.

Pod is just the sweetest damn thing and he's so determined to be a squire oh my goodness the look of gratitude and enthusiasm on his face after brienne tells him to her her with his straps ;_______________;

I don't recall the name of the pleasant gentleman leading Craster's, but he just makes those smurfing scenes for me. I cringe whenever I see him. I loved him in The Dark Knight Rises and I love him in this, even if he's the worst smurfing villain beside Joffrey and Ramsay and that's why he's smurfing brilliant.

Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

I'm really glad for Craster's wives standing up for themselves and not willing to go with the Night's Watch. I was beginning to question how logical it was that they would be comfortable with the Night's Watch there anyway, regardless if they came to save them or otherwise. That was a more believable path for them to me, I'm glad they took it.

A bit disappointed with the ending, though. Somehow. Don't know why. But it was so good to see Jon so happy to have Ghost back. I am really loving his character development.

AND HOW MUCH smurfING LONGER ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRIAL THIS IS GETTING ABSURD

I would have liked to see more Jaime in this episode.

And I find myself less and less impressed with The Hound/Arya scenes. Arya is so annoying to me now, god, I can hardly stand her.

[Dr Unne]

Littlefinger/Lysa being behind Jon Arryn's murder and framing the Lannisters has to be a retcon. It doesn't make any sense in the context of the first season.

How so? It turns out everyone was lying/ignorant in season 1, not really surprising.

So you think that was Martin's plan from the beginning when he wrote book 1? Seems far fetched that the whole story was for Jon to be poisoned by Lysa who was working for Littlefinger who was working for the Lannisters but was really framing the Lannisters in order to start some conflict with the Starks for...not sure what purpose.

Either Littlefinger is designed to be the most clever, devious person in all of Westeros or Martin just likes to use him as the reason for things that otherwise would be unexplained.

I just re-read the first book recently. Littlefinger is set up with clear motivations from the beginning. They touched on it briefly on the show but they flesh out the story more in the books. The big motivation is being rejected by Catelyn as a child. She was betrothed to Brandon Stark (Ned's brother), Littlefinger challenged Brandon a duel and Brandon beat the crap out of him to the point that he was bedridden for weeks. Cat left and the next time Littlefinger saw her was when she showed up in King's Landing with the dagger. He's clearly still enamoured with her though she always saw him as a brother. He has pretty good reason not to like Ned Stark, since she ended up with him. I always saw that as a big part of why he betrayed Ned. That's also likely a big part of why he took Sansa with him to the Eyrie. He's always doing a lot of creepy hair-touching and "You look just like your mom"ming in the show when it comes to Sansa.

The second motivation is his low station. His family is lord of the Fingers, which is a reeeeeeeeally small crappy bit of land on the ocean, which is maybe partly why he couldn't be betrothed to Cat. People call him Littlefinger because of his land (and because he's short). He clearly has ambitions to be more and he's clearly got some issues about it. My read on his character is him getting back at everyone who he feels looked down on him or mistreated him in his life. He's accumulated a lot of power at this point and he's revelling in throwing it around. He's also just twisted/crazy/evil like everyone else in the GoT universe. Up to the point we're at in the show I don't think he ever had a point-of-view chapter from him yet, which lends his character a lot of mystery still. That's all just my take on it.

Lysa is also set up as being completely unhinged from the beginning. I wasn't surprised at all that she was behind Jon's death. Jon was planning to send his son to foster with Stannis or some other lord, to get him away from his mom, because his mom is being a bad influence. Maybe the whole breast-feeding-him-at-age-6 thing had something to do with it... blergh. All Lysa cares about is keeping her son around. Shorty is right, her actress is really good. She and her son creep the crap out of me.

Whether GRRM planned all of this ahead of time or came up with it as he wrote the latter books, beats me. As of book one / season one of the show, who poisoned Jon and who was responsible for attacking Bran with the dagger are both left unexplained. As of the end of book one, he must've planned to either explain it later or leave it all a mystery. Either way it makes for a pretty cool story. (Turns out he does eventually explain who was behind both of those things, in the books.)

Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

Look a few posts back. He's Locke, sent from Roose Bolton after Roose learned from Theon that Bran was still alive. I think he's a show-only character.

And I find myself less and less impressed with The Hound/Arya scenes. Arya is so annoying to me now, god, I can hardly stand her.

I heard people saying how funny that scene was, but I felt really sad for Arya. She can't catch a break.

[Shorty]

Can someone remind me who the dude was who was trying to kidnap Bran?

Look a few posts back. He's Locke, sent from Roose Bolton after Roose learned from Theon that Bran was still alive. I think he's a show-only character.

Ah, that's right, that makes sense. I didn't recall him from the book so I wondered.

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

He's also responsible for cutting off Jaime's hand

I've read that Locke is a condensed version of a book character called (SPOILER)Vargo Hoat

[Shorty]

He's also responsible for cutting off Jaime's hand

I've read that Locke is a condensed version of a book character called (SPOILER)Vargo Hoat

reOh, of course he's the replacement for Vargo Hoat. I wonder why they did away with him.

[Raistlin]

I agree with Unne re: Littlefinger. I'm not a GRRM fanboy either, as I've repeatedly said that the books are overrated, but I don't consider the Littlefinger reveal to be a retcon. Surprising, sure, but a natural progression. First he betrays Ned, which, by itself, was an isolated instance of conniving (though there are some suspicions of greater plans, as he likely lied about the knife of Bran's attempted assassin) -- except for the fact that he led Ned through the "investigation" which resulted in the fatal conflict with Cersei in the first place. And then you find out he plotted to kill Joffrey and frame Tyrion and take Sansa, which shows even more underhandedness and scheming. Just when you thought that was the big reveal, he's shown as being the one behind setting the scene as far back as book 1.

He's an opportunist. When the Queen of Thorns wanted Joffrey dead, Littlefinger stepped in. When other powerful figures wanted Jon Aryn dead before that, Littlefinger was also there -- and has been there to take advantage of what resulted at every opportunity. Power and revenge are all that matters. The whole theme of the books/show is that ruthless scheming is what succeeds, and Littlefinger has clearly been the epitome -- even a caricature -- of that principle.

Didn't Varys say that Littlefinger was the most dangerous man in Westeros? I don't think he was joking.

[Del Murder]

I agree it makes sense in the grand scheme of things, but it seemed like an afterthought rather than the result of good planning. It was just weird that Littlefinger appeared out of nowhere to be 'the one behind it all' after not being on the show for a while. Seemed a little too convenient.

At least it makes you think. This was another strong episode. Season 4 is turning out to be the best season yet and there's still half of it to go!

[Shiny]

sarah make this your avatar pls

Rofl

I realize that a lot of these actors in this show are really good at doing the freak smile.

[Psychotic]

Littlefinger wants to sit the Iron Throne. That's his goal. That's not a book spoiler as it's never been explicitly stated anywhere, but that's what he's up to, I am sure of it. That and he wants to bone Sansa because of his unfulfilled Cat love. Look at the turmoil the simple act of Jon Arryn's death has caused and how that one trigger has caused things to spiral out of control. Now that he's married into the Vale with Lysa at his whim and Robin a weak child that's one of the great houses under his control already.

There was also a scene early on in the first season when Arya is in King's Landing and hears Varys and Illyrio plotting to set Stark and Lannister against each other to weaken the realm and get Viserys/Dany on the throne. They wanted to slow things down until the Dothraki were ready but it's clear that Littlefinger's scheming has sped things up. I'm not going into book spoilers here, by the way, just wanted to explain this and why people set out to achieve it.

Littlefinger who was working for the Lannisters but was really framing the Lannisters in order to start some conflict with the Starks for...not sure what purpose.

[Ayen]

AND HOW MUCH smurfING LONGER ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRIAL THIS IS GETTING ABSURD

I get the feeling it won't happen until closer to the end of the season.

[Shiny]

According to the next on that comes on after every episode, the trial is the next episode.

I guess you people torrent your Game of Thrones.

EDIT: http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/game-of-t...nd-men-preview

[Formalhaut]

Not sure what to think of Cersei this episode. She's been so cordial, a real change compared to previous episodes. What's happened?

[Jess]

A lot of people I know have said this episode sucked, I am so confused!

Littlefingers long term game playing finally coming to light? Awesome. The Adventures of Pod and Brienne? Awesome. A sword through the back of the head of the evil Nights Watch guy? Awesome. The Hound? Awesome. Mental Lysa? Awesome.

That being said, this episode did seem shorter to me than the other episodes & I'm not sure why... Was it?

Next episode needs more Varys, Wildlings and murder trial.

[Shorty]

Agreed, more Varys!

[Shaibana]

I guess you people torrent your Game of Thrones.

i watch it on the internet