Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Noctis Caelum]

I had no problem with the violence in this episode. I'm just having problems with the show in general. I'll probably get ripped apart for this, but I just don't think it's a very good show anymore. The first two seasons were excellent, three was decent, but now I think it's sloppy and mostly boring.

I stopped reading there.

Wonderful contribution to the thread. I expect that I will be pondering your argument for days. Well thought out, articulately presented...are you at Harvard Law by chance? Because this is the absolute pinnacle of rational discourse.

I don't need to dispute (or as you so appropriately word it: contribute) anything in a thread about something that I love and enjoy. I don't go to threads and talk about things that I find boring. I guess I'm just not that masochistic. Better things to do with my time. Please do go on about speaking rationally though, I'm sure you've got a few nuggets of wisdom lodged in there that should be humoured.

[Ultima Shadow]

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOoooooooo!!!!!!!


(SPOILER)Oberyn was like my 4th fav character!

[Noctis Caelum]

I don't give a trout about the Hound and Arya (unlikely partnership #130201030510) walking for 20 years through the same bleak marsh.

You speak of how the show is a mess and horribly written, but you are bastardizing one of the only truly genuine aspects of the show. And that's the travel time between Sandor and Arya. It is unadulterated, and not sped up to insane and unrealistic proportions, unlike every other character (it took less than a whole episode for Petyr and Sansa to go from Kings Landing by boat to the Eyrie). But oh, let's completely dismiss time being poorly explained and give the only example that shows that time isn't sped up a millionfold and consider it a fault on the show's behalf.

HBO is doing a horrible job making sure that Arya and Sandor don't travel around Westeros at the speed of light, you're right. *snip*

I don't really care to respond to anything else you said, I just think this is something that really needed to be addressed, because nobody else is gonna call you out on your bulltrout.

*snip*

You don't have to agree with the points made, but let's refrain from insults during a debate. ~Shorty

[I Took the Red Pill]

Keith if your only contribution is "this is a bad show" because you dislike some of the storylines or characters the only argument anyone can offer in return is "no it's a good show". Like yeah the show doesn't hit the mark every time, I'm not all that jazzed about the Sam and Gilly stuff for example, and it's got such a huge scope that inevitably some storylines have to take backseat at times (like uh aren't we meant to be seeing Stannis at the wall a few weeks ago?). But if you just plain dislike large segments of it, what value is there in trying to convince you otherwise? You thought the beetle speech was banal and trying too hard: I thought it was excellent and powerful and held a huge amount of symbolic importance for the show. There's no way to resolve that difference, I'm unlikely to convince you it's great and you're unlikely to convince me it's bad.

You misunderstand the point of my post. I don't expect to "convince" anyone otherwise. Nor do I expect to "resolve that difference". Nor do I want to do either of those things.

If you read the last paragraph of my post, then you saw that it was mostly a venting of frustrations. At most I hoped people would address specific points I brought up in the post, which they have, so I'm happy about that, whether I agree or disagree with what they're saying.

I don't need to dispute (or as you so appropriately word it: contribute) anything in a thread about something that I love and enjoy. I don't go to threads and talk about things that I find boring. I guess I'm just not that masochistic. Better things to do with my time. Please do go on about speaking rationally though, I'm sure you've got a few nuggets of wisdom lodged in there that should be humoured.

The reason I talk about a show I find boring is because it used to be not boring, and I'm disappointed in it. The thread is for discussion of the TV show. I'm bringing up specifics so that I can see how others feel about it. For the third time, it was meant to be my venting. If you didn't read it, fine, I don't care. But making a post about how you didn't read my post is unnecessarily blasé, rude, and worthless.

You speak of how the show is a mess and horribly written, but you are bastardizing one of the only truly genuine aspects of the show. And that's the travel time between Sandor and Arya. It is unadulterated, and not sped up to insane and unrealistic proportions, unlike every other character (it took less than a whole episode for Petyr and Sansa to go from Kings Landing by boat to the Eyrie). But oh, let's completely dismiss time being poorly explained and give the only example that shows that time isn't sped up a millionfold and consider it a fault on the show's behalf.

Ah, ok then. Glad to see you have deigned to respond to my point. My comment that the writing is "borderline bad" has somehow become "horribly written".We have a word magician in our presence. Watch him as he pulls loaded words out of thin air!

If you like the dynamic between Arya and the Hound, that's wonderful. Yes, travelling on foot would be slow and would take a long time. And so if you have a storyline that is strong enough to be given 10-15 minutes of showtime every episode, then I have no problem with it. But I find this particular storyline to be tired and repetitive. Hound says something gruff about killing a man, Arya says something clever that undermines what he's saying, Hound mumbles and grumbles, lather, rinse, repeat. I don't care if it's unadulterated, quasi-realtime travel. It's still boring. Ah, but you know what? I'm just an impatient meathead. Just...just forget it, ok? My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.

[Freya]

The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.

[Noctis Caelum]

My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.

At least we agree about one thing.

[Formalhaut]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

Also, did no-one else get a 'Black Swan' vibe from new Sansa's outfit?

[Shorty]

My opinion is clearly not worthy of your consideration.

At least we agree about one thing.

Enough, please. Let's keep things civil.

[Psychotic]

The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.

Double Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking trout

[Shaibana]

OOOH MYYYY GOOOOOOOD what an episode!
i knew Oberyn would die... but ow man! HOW he died

sidenote: sansa looked drop dead gorgeous when she walked down the stairs

[Loony BoB]

Then I told my spouse about this episode and she was like "Why do you watch this?" Which is a really good question. Why do we? It feels good to watch the bad guys get their comeuppance. It doesn't feel good to watch the good guys die horrible deaths. Maybe there's some schadenfreude, but it has its limits. Does reading something horrible make us feel better about our lives by comparison? Do we all have a violent, sadistic side that this stuff appeals to? I've been really into dark fiction for a while and I can't explain the appeal, but the appeal is clearly there.

I think this really sums up how annoyed I am at this episode. Did the gore shock me? No. Did the scream get to me? No. Did the manner of his death get to me? No. It was the fact that yet again the good guy loses and it was just so effing frustrating. Not just that, though - that it ended right there, like that.

I immediately, out of frustration, went ahead and spoiled what happens in the future by reading the book's wiki. I have no regrets about doing this. It's got to the point that I'm almost willing to just read the entire wiki to find out everything and then can watch the TV series with a bit more peace of mind. There is a line where things become so bad for everyone that I just don't give a trout about spoilers anymore, and I've crossed that line.

One thing I must say is that hot damn Sansa was smokin' hot when she came down those stairs. It was jaw dropping. It's a unbelievable (literally) turnaround but I hope like hell that doesn't mean she's going to be Littlefinger's Bitch. I hope she becomes his superior if anything. I definitely hope she doesn't end up smurfing with him or Robin because she deserves better. ...she'll probably end up doing both and another character will be ruined. ._. Here's hoping for a pleasant surprise for a change, though.

This series needs pleasant surprises to go with the bad, and I feel the balance has been quite off this season... maybe it's just me. Ah well.

Either way, that episode was definitely notable. Gutted we didn't see the Stark sister reunion.

[Jinx]

OMG EVEN LOONY BOB IS OKAY WITH SPOILERS NOW WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?

[Loony BoB]

I'm not okay with spoilers here, I can select spoilers I read in the Wiki. But yeah, it's just the general nature of not wanting to feel like rubbish for watching an episode.

[Dr Unne]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

She straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.

Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.

[Jess]

I just stream it from the net in the morning so I don't have to wait as long

I barely have 10 minutes to spare in the morning before I leave for work, yet alone an hour!

I just watched. Holy trout.

The gore didn't really bother me as I'm not particularly sqeamish, but it was far more brutal than I imagined they would do! If people went battrout crazy over the Red Wedding, well, wow.

But it was just chilling. Oberyns screaming. Ellaria's screaming. The smile disappearing from Jaime's face when he realised Oberyn was done for. Cersei's smile. Oh man, it sent chills through me.

Even though I knew it was going to happen, I'm still gutted because I think Pedro was fantastic.

I also loved the scene between Jaime & Tyrion. It was just brothers being brothers. It was really sweet, I think.

I personally still love the series as much as I did when I first began watching it. Watching the characters grow, and change. I find it fascinating. Sure, there are scenes and characters that aren't as gripping as others, but is this not always the case? Everybody has their favourites and those that they can't connect with. For me, I struggle to connect with the Bran story.

I like that we're beginning to see the transformation of Sansa.

The next episode is supposed to have a record budget like double Blackwater's and I believe spends the whole time at the wall. Did you see that preview? Eeeeee I'm excited.

Double Blackwater? The entire time at the Wall? Man, it's gonna be some full on Helm's Deep trout, isn't it? I hope we full on see mammoths and giants wrecking trout

There has to be!