Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Shorty]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.

[Jinx]

Just finished the episode:

I had a really good chuckle and thought it was rather silly when Oberyn started doing loop-ti-loops.

And I knew what was coming, but that final scene man just

wow

[Loony BoB]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.

I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".

[Ayen]

Eddard Stark died because he was too honorable to play the game
Robb Stark died because he broke his promise and got his mother and wife killed in the process
King Robert died because of the lifestyle he chose
Renly Baratheon died because he wouldn't bend the knee to Stannis
King Joffrey died because he was a monster that needed to be slain
Lysa Tully died because she was insane
Prince Oberyn died because he was cocky

There's pretty much a reason for every main character's death that has been shown in the series thus far. I might be a little off my mark on the Renly one, though.

[Shorty]

How many deadly sins can we name here?

Lysa = Envy
Oberyn = Pride
King Robert = Gluttony
Joffrey = Wrath
Robb = Lust
Renly= Greed.

I wouldn't say necessarily say Ned was Slothful, though.

[Loony BoB]

I don't think there are any sloths in this game... everyone's doin' something.

[Shorty]

Walder Frey is Sloth. Hopefully he goes soon!

[Raistlin]

How many deadly sins can we name here? Lysa = Envy, Oberyn = Pride, King Robert = Gluttony, Joffrey = Wrath, Robb = Lust, Renly= Greed.

So what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.

[Ayen]

Kevin Spacey is the god of death.

What do we say to Kevin Spacey?

[Shorty]

Kevin Spacey is the god of death.

What do we say to Kevin Spacey?

(SPOILER)

[Lone Wolf Leonhart]

Cersei has the ultimate smug face. Oberyn loses and she's all

Sansa is now Littlefinger 2 apparently.

*insert movie poster of Sansa with the caption "Little Finger 2: Littler Finger"*


One complaint I am seeing more and more often looks like this:

"Read all the books so far, but the last couple were a real struggle because i'd identified the 'make you care, destroy' ploy and so didn't get invested in any of the characters.'"

I disagree with that, but I can see where people are coming from with it. For me, it's because of all the hardships the good guys go through that I want the people who are still living that I like to be that much more successful at what they're trying to achieve.

[Slothy]

What was the point of it all? Guy comes in, is awesome, dies not achieving a single thing he hoped to, story carries on in pretty much exactly the same way it was beforehand, but manages to extend it for shock and "omg haha we killed someone cool" value.

What was the point of it? The point was to show us that despite Oberyn's cool head and complete and ridiculous apathy for the events throughout the entire season that this is this is his one weakness - avenging his sister and the love he bore for her. And in a moment of absolute and utter importance, he was caught up in a scheme of revenge and showboating to force The Mountain into a confession that he blinked, he slipped, he became too distracted and danced too close, and he paid the ultimate price for his pride.

The point was to show the no matter how removed you think you are from what's going on around you, everyone has a weakness and everyone has pride, and that pride can quite literally be a mortal sin.

I guess you can look at it like that, but I just see it as something that made me look at the TV series (dunno about how it is in the book) and suddenly see it as a TV series rather than a genuinely interesting story. It reminds me of when, in Lost, they started doing things that just felt so obviously done for the sake of making people talk about That One Thing instead of actually being good for a storyline. It broke my immersion in the show and just annoyed me to no end because I'm starting to see it as "the show" instead of "the story".

I know I make fun of you for having bad taste and being wrong a lot, but your interpretation of these events may actually be objectively wrong. I'm not sure how a man who's motivations made complete sense, doing something stupid because his emotions which also made complete sense got the best of him, is somehow immersion breaking.

I think you may just be explaining yourself poorly because your reasoning makes no sense to me. Not one thing happened in that fight with Oberyn that didn't make complete sense in terms of where the story was, his established character, feelings, and motivations. When people have their immersion broken it's usually because of something that stands out blatantly as being completely out of place. This was literally the exact opposite of that.

[Vyk]

I'm kinda with BoB. I feel kinda burned out on bad surprises. I don't want rainbows and butterflies, and appreciate bittersweet, and well-done bad endings, and bad surprises. I don't know if it's balancing, or pacing, or what. But its beginning to wear. I'll at least finish out the season. But I'm on the verge of losing interest, and that makes me kinda sad. I so loved the first couple seasons

[Formalhaut]

Walder Frey is Sloth. Hopefully he goes soon!

How many deadly sins can we name here? Lysa = Envy, Oberyn = Pride, King Robert = Gluttony, Joffrey = Wrath, Robb = Lust, Renly= Greed.

So what you're saying is that Kevin Spacey actually killed those people. Interesting theory.

Either that or Dany's storyline is sloth.

[Formalhaut]

One person that everyone's forgotten about is Ygritte. She's been very quiet all season, only appearing here and there. She's hardened up alot since Jon left, and I know people were surprised with how callously she attacked that small village earlier in this season (Episode Three, I think).

Because of all that, I did quite like that bit with Gilly - it shows that she still has a heart.

She straight-up murdered half a dozen women a few seconds before she found Gilly. She was always hard and she still is.

Jon misunderstood her as being less a wildling than she was, and she misunderstood Jon as having rejected the Night's Watch when he was just pretending. When they found that guy and the wildlings were telling Jon to kill him to prove his loyalties, Ygritte's reaction wasn't "poor old man", it was "do it Jon!". The thing Jon and Ygritte had together north of the Wall was genuine to a point, but they both had clouded pictures of each other. After she filled him full of arrows, I imagine they understand each other a little better now. If she has a heart, it's buried pretty deep.

I'm not saying she isn't hard - she definitely straight-up murdered several people. I'm merely pointing out that bit in particular as showing a glimmer that she isn't completely made of stone.