Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Bolivar]

I'm (too) slowly coming to the realization that Bolivar has a controversial opinion about damn near everything.

The only people who were upset by the second season have completely unrealistic expectations for adaptations from one format to another. The series, as a whole, remains one of the best book to film (movie or television) adaptations ever. It's hardly perfect, but adaptations never are. For what it is, the show is phenomenal.

Also, Dany's storyline is the worst part of the books. It's plodding, dull, and is only ever redeemed by one awesome scene at the end of each book. Otherwise, Dany spends an awful lot of time doing or saying a lot of stupid things. I will never understand why one cool chapter per book seems to make everyone forget how god awful the majority of the other ones are.

I'm sorry, but if you modestly survey fan reaction, it really isn't all that controversial, nor is it the adaptation that has disappointed so many.

(SPOILER)And I understand Dany is the most polarizing character in the book but I'm surprised you actually think she's stupid. A lot of her story is her outwitting the seemingly more powerful people around her to the point she's become a true Targaryen conqueror in fact and name. I personally didn't find it boring since it's the foreign contrast to Westeros and where we get to learn more about Rhaegar Targaryen who is not only one of the most fascinating characters in the story, probably Jon Snow's father, and the epicenter of all the story's mysteries, but everything written about him is building up to this unbearably-anticipated plot twist (which ironically for this discussion is somethingalso completely abandoned by the show.)

Added a spoiler tag because, although very vague, I think it might bother non-readers. And I know a lot of non-readers who plug their ears and don't want to know the popular fan theory about Jon's parentage. -Shlup

[Del Murder]

Well, the Targaryens are heavily inbred. So calling her stupid is not entirely far-fetched.

[Shlup]

I'm sorry, but if you modestly survey fan reaction, it really isn't all that controversial, nor is it the adaptation that has disappointed so many.

Everyone I know is happy with it, and I rarely see any complaints in the subreddit. You're welcome to have unreachable expectations though.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I'm sorry, but if you modestly survey fan reaction, it really isn't all that controversial, nor is it the adaptation that has disappointed so many.

You're literally the only person I know that has mentioned anything like this.

[Bolivar]

Everyone I know is happy with it, and I rarely see any complaints in the subreddit. You're welcome to have unreachable expectations though.

Hm? I actually thought the first season was as good as an adaptation could've been. I guess I'm just looking at more ASOIAF-focused communities than the rest of you..

[Ouch!]

Regarding Dany's intelligence:When, except for her purchase of the Unsullied, has Dany ever won anything by virtue of deception or intellect? She spends a great deal more time stubbornly defending the less fortunate at her own expense and making decisions based on emotional outbursts. Each book she appears in so far features a story arch in which she spends several chapters passively letting others plot and scheme around her, until she screws up and gets stuck in a bind, and then somehow manages to fix that mistake because DRAGONS.

Until A Dance with Dragons, I had begun to believe that the justification for Dany's one-track-mindedness had been because she, like her father before her, was mad, and the only reason the reader didn't know it was because she had not featured in any chapter except those from her own point of view. Then we got some POV chapters from characters who have interacted with her, and none of them suggested anything of the sort.

[Jinx]

Regarding Dany's intelligence:When, except for her purchase of the Unsullied, has Dany ever won anything by virtue of deception or intellect? She spends a great deal more time stubbornly defending the less fortunate at her own expense and making decisions based on emotional outbursts. Each book she appears in so far features a story arch in which she spends several chapters passively letting others plot and scheme around her, until she screws up and gets stuck in a bind, and then somehow manages to fix that mistake because DRAGONS.

Until A Dance with Dragons, I had begun to believe that the justification for Dany's one-track-mindedness had been because she, like her father before her, was mad, and the only reason the reader didn't know it was because she had not featured in any chapter except those from her own point of view. Then we got some POV chapters from characters who have interacted with her, and none of them suggested anything of the sort.

Dany's an entitled little brat. And often her pride of "helping people" outweighs actually helping people.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I'm not entirely sure where all this is coming from, but Dany is still basically a child. Not all of the kids can grow up like Arya.

[Jinx]

I'm not entirely sure where all this is coming from, but Dany is still basically a child. Not all of the kids can grow up like Arya.

First off, Arya makes some stupid decisions. I wouldn't really call her grown up and mature, rather than just being thrust into some tough situations.

Secondly, Dany is a terrible character.

[Bolivar]

Regarding Dany's intelligence:When, except for her purchase of the Unsullied, has Dany ever won anything by virtue of deception or intellect? She spends a great deal more time stubbornly defending the less fortunate at her own expense and making decisions based on emotional outbursts. Each book she appears in so far features a story arch in which she spends several chapters passively letting others plot and scheme around her, until she screws up and gets stuck in a bind, and then somehow manages to fix that mistake because DRAGONS.

Until A Dance with Dragons, I had begun to believe that the justification for Dany's one-track-mindedness had been because she, like her father before her, was mad, and the only reason the reader didn't know it was because she had not featured in any chapter except those from her own point of view. Then we got some POV chapters from characters who have interacted with her, and none of them suggested anything of the sort.

(SPOILER)When she treated with the sellsword captains to discern which could turn the battle in her favor, then caught the Yunkish enemy unawares (much like Robb did at the forks). Then she utilized her sellswords' experience again by having them infiltrate Meereen and capture the city in a ridiculously short amount of time. I think it was noted how fast she pulled it off and how relatively little looting/rioting there was in its wake. She's actually been a pretty good strategist in A Storm of Swords. Going back to AGoT, she also won over the Khalasar and was accepted as one of their own (of course she didn't understand that most would leave once Drogo did). In A Clash of Kings she was also able to bring everyone out of the Red Waste by utilizing her bloodriders in the way most likely to bring about success. I know A Dance with Dragons makes it kind of tough to get through her sitting around and waiting, but I think marrying Hizdahr might've actually been the best move if it wasn't for the Drogon incident. I really don't think he's the Harpy.

I actually think you might be right about your second point, though. IMO she's being built up as the series antagonist because almost everything she's done has lead to the death and suffering of a huge amount of people.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I'm not entirely sure where all this is coming from, but Dany is still basically a child. Not all of the kids can grow up like Arya.

First off, Arya makes some stupid decisions. I wouldn't really call her grown up and mature, rather than just being thrust into some tough situations.

Secondly, Dany is a terrible character.

Of course she does, she starts the series when she's like 9.

[Jinx]

I'm not entirely sure where all this is coming from, but Dany is still basically a child. Not all of the kids can grow up like Arya.

First off, Arya makes some stupid decisions. I wouldn't really call her grown up and mature, rather than just being thrust into some tough situations.

Secondly, Dany is a terrible character.

Of course she does, she starts the series when she's like 9.

Yes, I know all of this.

I'm saying, that Arya is often treated like she's perfect and makes no mistakes, and that's not the case. Even in the later books.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I'm not entirely sure where all this is coming from, but Dany is still basically a child. Not all of the kids can grow up like Arya.

First off, Arya makes some stupid decisions. I wouldn't really call her grown up and mature, rather than just being thrust into some tough situations.

Secondly, Dany is a terrible character.

Of course she does, she starts the series when she's like 9.

Yes, I know all of this.

I'm saying, that Arya is often treated like she's perfect and makes no mistakes, and that's not the case. Even in the later books.

Everyone in the series makes mistakes. o_O She's at least less stupid than Dany, who is older.

[chionos]

LAY OFF ARYA SHES THE BEST

[Lonely Paper Star]

12-second teaser for another teaser lol

EDIT: The actual teaser/trailer