6 things you may not have known about FFVI

[Hollycat]

there is a dancer who asks:
you there, behind the screen, join in our dancing! after asking bartz and a nother npc to join

[Wolf Kanno]

Alright, which number is wrong and I'll fix it.

[Greatermaximus]

These might have been said but I'll try.

250. How many games have an octopus as a receptionist. Good idea can shake that many hands at once.
251. How many Monks can suplex a moving ghost train?
252. Many auto-kill situations like X-Fer, Vanish Doom, and phoenix down on undead.
253. The only way to get to the main bosses like Vector, Floating Continent, Kefka's Towers is to fly.
254. Siegfried Shennagins
255. It's unique and there's plenty of aspects different from other final fantasies.

[Breine]

Awesome. Thread.

[Wolf Kanno]

These might have been said but I'll try.

I need to reword some of them (I hope you don't mind), but thanks for contributing.

250. How many games have an octopus as a receptionist. Good idea can shake that many hands at once.

Not relative, since most FF games don't have receptionist to begin with. Afraid I can't accept this one.

251. How many Monks can suplex a moving ghost train?

Needs to be reworded... I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but

250. Sabin's ability to Suplex the Phantom Train may be a glitch, he's not suppose to be able to Meteor Strike large enemies, but it seems the programmer's forgot to give the boss Immunity to the move. Despite the speculation, its never been fixed, possibly cause its a fan favorite like The Emperor's death cry in FFII and the Spoony Bard line in FFIV.

252. Many auto-kill situations like X-Fer, Vanish Doom, and phoenix down on undead.

251. FFVI may have the most instant death abilities in the series (and possibly gaming in general, except maybe Ghosts and Goblins ) It has three regular magic spells (Death, Break, X-Zone), 2 Blue Mage spells (Roulette and Lv. 5 Death) 3 summons (Catoblepas, Odin, and Raiden), Two slot moves, one Bushido skill, several of Mog's dances have one instant death skill attached, or which both Relm and Gau can use variations of with their Sketch and Rage skills respectively.

253. The only way to get to the main bosses like Vector, Floating Continent, Kefka's Towers is to fly.

It can be argued that this has been the norm since FFIII, since getting to the final areas of FFIII-FFV all require either a special airship or only by airship, with FFV also having the Cleft Dimension Final Dungeon inaccessible without directly flying to the portal. This isn't unique to FFVI, I would almost say this is a FF tradition really, since its easier to state which FFs don't require an airship as direct access to the final dungeon, as opposed to those that need it. Sorry, doesn't qualify.

254. Siegfried Shennagins

Has been mostly stated I'm afraid.

255. It's unique and there's plenty of aspects different from other final fantasies.

Pretty much the point of this thread actually.

[Hollycat]

252. Final Fantasy 6 is the only ff where a playable character witnesses the death of one of their children, and was the first where a playable character witnesses the death of a spouse. (Cyan)

253. The only ff to include two towns of the same name (arguably Figaro and south Figaro)

-NOT A NUMBERED FACT- Terra was not the first soldier to have been brainwashed in ff6, nor the first to recover from the brainwashing, the guy who saves Terra in the beginning states that he had never heard of so quick a recovery, implying said fact.

254: the first ff to include resized enemies: I believe it is called the magna runner? and it is displayed in large if 1 or 2 are in battle, and small if 3 or more are in battle.

255: first ff to include a mine cart ride, and the only one to have a video of during the ride, the other ff being ff12

256: the only ff to include movable 3d elements on a 2d world map with 360 degree veiwing

[champagne supernova]

181. Despite the rampant war between fanboys about who is better, Kefka and Sephiroth actually have a few similarities.

h) Both of them commit genocide

m) Both of them are responsible for the genocide of another race (Cetra and Espers)

Sephiroth killed one Cetra. Hardly genocide. Jenova annihilated the Cetra, but whether a non-sentient being can commit genocide is an argument for another time.

l) Both of them murder the population of a city

Nibelheim is a town, not a city.

[/Nitpicking]

[Wolf Kanno]

I feel Jenova is sentient, as for Sephy committing Genocide, he does actually kill the last of the Cetra bloodline, not to mention since he's not actually full human, his attacks on other human beings can be thought of as genocide as well since its partly rationalized by the fact he sees himself as a superior species.

The town/city thing is nitpicking though

[champagne supernova]

I feel Jenova is sentient, as for Sephy committing Genocide, he does actually kill the last of the Cetra bloodline, not to mention since he's not actually full human, his attacks on other human beings can be thought of as genocide as well since its partly rationalized by the fact he sees himself as a superior species.

Yeah, I agree the town thing is nitpicking. But killing the last of a line isn't genocide. Genocide is the systematic killing of people within an ethnic group (making the Kefka genocide claim a little bit dodgy too). Attempted genocide definitely fits for both of them though.

[Wolf Kanno]

If we're going to argue semantics...

Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group".

So by international law, Sephy and Kefka committed genocide, cause they are directly responsible for the death of two races, and it was intentionally done by both. Course, most of the FF villains are genocidal maniacs, but this was just a comparison of the two and its not like neither of them don't share traits with other villains in the series as well.

[espritduo]

252. Final Fantasy 6 is the only ff where a playable character witnesses the death of one of their children, and was the first where a playable character witnesses the death of a spouse. (Cyan)

Heh, well you could include Ashe, since her husband Rasler dies like a punk right after they get married.

253. The only ff to include two towns of the same name (arguably Figaro and south Figaro)

Balamb and Balamb Garden? If you're counting Figaro Castle as a town, might as well count Balamb Garden.

254: the first ff to include resized enemies: I believe it is called the magna runner? and it is displayed in large if 1 or 2 are in battle, and small if 3 or more are in battle.

While there is a resized enemy in the game(Ultros's sprite is actually larger when you fight him partially submerged in the first fight than he his in every other fight against him on land), the Magna Roader enemies are two distinctly different enemies that just happen to have the same name and appear in the same area. There is also another pair of Magna Roaders in the Narshe Caves in the WoR. You can see the differences between the enemy sprites here:

Magna Roader - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research

Just use the tabs to switch between the four different Magna Roaders.

[Hollycat]

252. Final Fantasy 6 is the only ff where a playable character witnesses the death of one of their children, and was the first where a playable character witnesses the death of a spouse. (Cyan)

Heh, well you could include Ashe, since her husband Rasler dies like a punk right after they get married.

253. The only ff to include two towns of the same name (arguably Figaro and south Figaro)

Balamb and Balamb Garden? If you're counting Figaro Castle as a town, might as well count Balamb Garden.

254: the first ff to include resized enemies: I believe it is called the magna runner? and it is displayed in large if 1 or 2 are in battle, and small if 3 or more are in battle.

While there is a resized enemy in the game(Ultros's sprite is actually larger when you fight him partially submerged in the first fight than he his in every other fight against him on land), the Magna Roader enemies are two distinctly different enemies that just happen to have the same name and appear in the same area. There is also another pair of Magna Roaders in the Narshe Caves in the WoR. You can see the differences between the enemy sprites here:

Magna Roader - The Final Fantasy Wiki has more Final Fantasy information than Cid could research

Just use the tabs to switch between the four different Magna Roaders.

252. I said first, not only, and ashe didnt see rastler die

253. Balamb garden does not contain any shops and thus does not qualify as a town.

254. fine, just say first ff to include resized enemies.

[champagne supernova]

253. Balamb garden does not contain any shops and thus does not qualify as a town.

There's a guy who sells things in the Training Centre of Balamb Garden. As a shop is defined as, "a building or part of a building where goods or services are sold; a store," then the Training Centre can be defined as a shop. Albeit one with T-rexs running around.

[Hollycat]

253. Balamb garden does not contain any shops and thus does not qualify as a town.

There's a guy who sells things in the Training Centre of Balamb Garden. As a shop is defined as, "a building or part of a building where goods or services are sold; a store," then the Training Centre can be defined as a shop. Albeit one with T-rexs running around.

...... maybe, but that is really just a guy running around selling stuff. lets let kanno decide.

[champagne supernova]

I'm more curious as to how the presence of a shop qualifies a place as a town.