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    I've heard it argued one time too many that the perversions of the Queen's English perpetrated by the great unwashed masses are "the natural evolution of language."

    No, shortening "you" to "u" and replacing letters with numbers is not evolution. Evolution implies improvement. When an organism is being hunted nigh onto extinction and develops a defense mechanism that allows its offspring to survive, that is evolution. A mutation that causes bees to nest in one's crotch, conversely, is an undesirable mutation. That is the opposite of evolution. It takes something that once worked perfectly fine, and ruins it. The rules that define the English language were put in place for a reason, they ensure clarity, and above all else, they are correct by definition.

    Perversion of the English language is "the natural evolution of language" is the same way that obesity is the natural evolution of fitness. Yes, it's becoming more common. We no longer have to spend 18 hours a day harvesting crops without the aid of mechanization while intermittently battling back commanche raids, so fitness is no longer quite so necessary for survival. However, just because the increasing trend in obesity is due to environmental factors and happened more recently than the days in which the majority of people could carry out tasks unaided which we today would relegate to machines, does not make it evolution, and neither is bad English "superior" just because a lot of people do it.

    Come on, I've heard of appeal to authority--a tactic which appears in every list of logical fallacies ever published--but appeal to the masses? To call that malarkey would be a dire insult to purveyors of malarkey all the world over. After all, if there's one thing that people in large groups are good at other than burning things for no apparent reason, it's being wrong. There was a time in which the majority of people believed that the sun revolved around the Earth and savagely murdered anyone who dared question their "doctrine," but it's been conclusively proven that said majority was flat out, unquestionably, 100% wrong. Even today, there is a large majority who believes that there is an old man living in the sky watching everything you do, the dirty pervert. Furthermore, this old man can do anything by willing it and is never wrong. Well, if you ask me, watching twelve-year-olds masturbate is not only wrong, but a federal offense, and rightfully so.

    A fine example of this diseased mentality is the non-word "irregardless." It is an inherent double negative, which is automatically grammatically incorrect, and there are people who insist on using it because it's now in the OED. Congratulations, large numbers of people whose sole qualification is failing to die for 18-21 years (depending on local voting age) were able to pressure Oxford into intentionally inserting an error into their most famous publication just because a lot of people are using it, never mind the fact that the large number of people using it are so remarkably intelligent that they knowingly abstain from the use of prophylactics when they know very well that they haven't got enough room in their trailer for another squalling brat.

    I can understand grammatical and spelling errors in someone for whom English is not their native tongue--but wait, what's this? Most people who learn English as a second, third, or thirty-ninth language don't make as many errors as native speakers, or even as many errors as those for whom English is their sole language. Why is that? Well, I have a theory:

    Imagine a magical genie who, instead of granting wishes to one person, went about offering to magically imbue people with the ability to speak another language with no need for studying, intelligence, or any effort whatsoever. Do you know anybody who would decline? Even the red-necked racists who spout drivel like "If English is good enough for me, it's good enough for everybody" would accept if for no other reason than so that they'd know when the (insert race KKK Karl is prejudiced against here) is slagging them off in their native tongue. So what separates those of us who are unilingual (and thank-you for autocorrecting "unilingual" to "cunnilingus," Firefox) from those who speak multiple language? Easy: They're smarter. Everyone wants to speak another language, but only some people are smart enough to actually do it. And they all speak English better than the cunnilingus people. Yes, I know I just used a sentence fragment. On purpose. To show that far from making me look more educated and urbane, it in fact makes me look like a giant twat.

    So, in conclusion, anyone who says "irregardless" is a horse-fellating mental midget, the original British English is the only true English, and appealing to the masses as an authority to justify breaking the rules is every bit as valid as using a T-62 tank to achieve a competitive edge in a sporting event. Thank-you for your time.

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    Which the original British English? That of the Saxons, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Johnson, Shaw, or Allen?

    There's so much to choose from! And those are just figures from the isles themselves. If we're going to take a look elsewhere in the Commonwealth, we could always ask Mr. Murdoch's impression~

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubah View Post
    Which the original British English? That of the Saxons, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Johnson, Shaw, or Allen?
    Try Queen Victoria.

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    I think people cry about English far too much. I couldn't give two s if someone used 'u' instead of 'you'. I understand what they mean and they understand me when I say 'you' so why would I care?

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    In before in b4 umad.i'msofunny

    This reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

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    You should care because it leads to sloppy writing, and sloppy writing leads to sloppy thinking. There's nothing wrong with an error or two--we all make mistakes--but when you start doing it on purpose just to be lazy you're forming a habit of laziness with other intellectual pursuits. This is the kind of thinking that leads people to believe that they can persuade the laws of physics or argue their way around reality, as illustrated in the scenario below:

    Me: The internet is down throughout your entire city because the substation the power company uses to supply electricity to the switching station was bombed by Nazis, and electronic communications equipment requires electricity to operate.
    My customer: But you don't understand! I have a university project due tomorrow! I need to finish it or I'll fail, I won't get my degree, so I'll lose my job and be relegated to a life of prostitution!
    Me (in the customer's mind): Oh, well in that case I'll just hop into my handy-dandy time machine and head on back to yesterday and prevent the bombing at great hazard to my own personal health and well-being so that you don't have to suffer the consequences for your lack of foresight in leaving a critical project undone until the last minute!

    See? Shoddy thinking.

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    (7:08:31 PM) PGies: spell colour
    (7:09:10 PM) Captain America: color
    (7:09:13 PM) PGies: wrong
    (7:09:18 PM) Captain America: nop
    (7:09:25 PM) PGies: I have now explained bleyblade's argument
    (7:09:25 PM) Captain America: say lieutenant
    (7:09:33 PM) PGies: lieu
    (7:09:34 PM) PGies: ten
    (7:09:35 PM) PGies: nant
    (7:09:44 PM) PGies: as in in lieu of
    (7:10:04 PM) Captain America: I still don't see what he is arguing
    (7:10:06 PM) Captain America: he's just whining
    (7:10:24 PM) PGies: what is the negation of shall ?
    (7:10:50 PM) Captain America: I still don't see what he is arguing
    (7:10:52 PM) Captain America: he's just whining

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    (7:19:39 PM) PGies: now spell aluminium
    (7:20:01 PM) PGies: I wish I could find reasons to say english words in america
    (7:20:05 PM) PGies: just to see what would happen
    (7:20:13 PM) PGies: oh
    (7:20:16 PM) PGies: and pronounce 'z'
    (7:20:40 PM) PGies: and harrassment
    (7:20:43 PM) PGies: and leisure
    (7:20:49 PM) PGies: and um...schedule
    (7:20:52 PM) PGies: oh man this is fun
    (7:20:53 PM) PGies: copy paste time
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    That has nothing to do with my argument, only the jocular bit of banter at the end. For Americans, spelling colour wrong is, in fact, correct. Likewise, it would be incondign for a Yank to pronounce lieutenant correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys View Post
    That has nothing to do with my argument, only the jocular bit of banter at the end. For Americans, spelling colour wrong is, in fact, correct. Likewise, it would be incondign for a Yank to pronounce lieutenant correctly.
    How are the two different? You have a specific ruleset - you is spelled 'y-o-u' and 'colour' is spelled 'c-o-l-o-u-r'

    then a bunch of well meaning but undeserving loonies usurp the language and define their own rules, then when you baulk they go 'oh you don't like go back to Canada'

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    It is good to know that you are not including American English in your rant about the perversion of the "Queen's English". Of course, America was well established before Queen Victoria's reign so I suppose you cannot blame us for not learning her style. However, I do agree with your assessment that today's youth has become lazy when it comes to using proper English. I suppose this stems from texting shorthand, which most likely arose from having to use phone key pads to spell words.

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    That would make sense if I, personally and arbitrarily, defined the rules of English instead of honouring the time-honoured, established, and functional conventions without which intelligible conversation would be impossible.

    Also, why is it that when I post a lucid, erudite comedic rant, I'm a pathetic whiner, but when I pist a banal tweet about arse hair, I'm brilliant? I despair for humanity.

    EDIT: @Jentleness: I'm posting my replies, albeit not the original post, from my mobile phone. Furthermore, I am doing so in proper English. I assure you, it does not hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys View Post
    That would make sense if I, personally and arbitrarily, defined the rules of English instead of honouring the time-honoured, established, and functional conventions without which intelligible conversation would be impossible.

    Also, why is it that when I post a lucid, erudite comedic rant, I'm a pathetic whiner, but when I pist a banal tweet about arse hair, I'm brilliant? I despair for humanity.

    EDIT: @Jentleness: I'm posting my replies, albeit not the original post, from my mobile phone. Furthermore, I am doing so in proper English. I assure you, it does not hurt.
    I hope your complaint is not aimed at me as I did not think you were being a pathetic whiner in the least. Also, I was only trying to give a plausible explanation as to why the English language is abused, not stating what I personally do. I have never once used shorthand in texting because I don't believe there is any real need to do so, except maybe laziness, which is not a good excuse.

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    Nope, when I started posting, PeeGee was the last commentor, which is why I responded to you in an edit

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    PG does make a good point (God forbid)


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