P4 - Mafia XIX Game Thread - [Game Over] Mafia DOMINATION

[[M] Athena]

Wait wait wait. I forgot about the night kill. If there were two mafias then we would've seen that represented in the deaths. Unless the doctor successfully protected the second target; I don't think two mafia groups are likely.

Gonna cop some flak for that mess up!

[[M] Athena]

To point it forward clearly:

I think we're dealing of a mafia size of 5. Four members seems too little, unless they have some psycho abilities.

[[M] Aaron]

My personal guess is four, since a quarter of all players is a bit much, but I guess it couldn't hurt to brace ourselves for more.

[[M] Caprica]

I think that discussing how many mafia members there are in total is a distraction. Having even one is too many.

[[M] Athena]

I gotta disappear for a bit; things to do, coffee to make. Good luck until I return, dawgs.

[[M] Adama]

I was simply trying to get in on the math of the situation. Surely some number crunching can be beneficial? It may help to order supects by likelihood.

In any case, I think the best course of action is to remain calm and collected. No need to brazenly rush to conclusions, that would only help to serve the mafia.

[[M] Colette]

OK, so here we are Day 2 and it doesn't look as if we are any closer to figuring out who might be Mafia. I know everyone is speculating about who might be scum, however, there has been little proof anywhere to suggest that the person is. So, my question is, how do we really go about finding the clues we need. I know, we are suppose to talk to each other and see if anyone is suspect, but truthfully, I haven't seen anyone do anything that would suggest anything (except for Teddy, and look how that turned out). What makes someone more suspicious than someone else? Is it someone who points the finger, or the person who agrees with the person pointing the finger, or the person not around to agree or disagree? From what I've read, there are people who believe each one these types are guilty, and others who believe that none of these types are guilty. I am very confused. Being fairly new to the game, can anyone with experience tell me what exactly we are looking for, and how to recognize it when we see it? Are the conversations that we have together the only clue or are their other ways to investigate?

[[M] Eizen]

Warning, my schedule means I can only post in the early afternoon and late at night, so during the peak times of activities, I won't be around: I'll be working. So yeah, thus why I am quiet.

Anyways, I think it is fair to say that there is 3-4 Mafia in this game. Normally that's about how many there are.

As for suspects? I agree that one, at maybe two, voted for Teddie.

I have skimmed most of the posts (you guys post a lot while I was gone!) but from my impressions I am suspicious of Shu and Naoto, and possibly Adachi but maybe the game is making me bias.

Maybe I am naive, but I believe Rise when she said she just got home and went through it quickly. Her pointing at Hanako seems suspicious yet not as much as Shu's attack on her.

Naoto is evidentally trying to be in character but at the same time it seems like they are trying to steer us without actually doing much of consequence themselves.

##Vote: Shu

[[M] Elize]

Sorry about not being around, I was dealing with some fatigue.

To clarify why I did not participate in the tie breaker when given the chance was simply a matter of of not believing either was truly guilty. Both suspects were trying too hard to stand out and put targets on their backs. I'm not the type to join in capital punishment against a suspect unless I know all the facts point to a guaranteed guilty verdict.

As I was suggesting earlier, I would be more concerned about those who are trying to stay below the radar. Considering how quick everyone was to lynch the obvious odd balls in the town, it would seem to me that the best course of action for the mafia members would be to mostly keep low profiles and try to avoid any kind of open suspicion, hence my suspicion of Chie, Yukiko, Namatame, and Hanako. I would also be somewhat suspicious of Souji, since he quickly came in, mentioned his "experience", jumped onto getting rid of Teddie rather quickly rather than be reluctant like most of the townsfolk were. It felt to me like they were creating a sense of rep for themselves, to get the rest of us to trust them. He quickly chooses a target and then quickly tries to steer everyone towards someone who is, sadly in hindsight, too obvious to be part of the mafia. In an effort to mislead us.

It just feels to me like Souji was trying to choose a target to get everyone frenzied over to cover their own tracks, while people really discuss things to see if anyone left more subtle clues. While this is certainly damning for myself as well, I feel the best way to hide would be to try an act like the authority and instigator.

[[M] Gaius]

I began searching for Souji posts and found this funny gem not relating to him:

I don't wanna vote for anyone without knowing anything about them!
I'd feel guilty if they were innocent

Oh I knew that much but thanks for posting that

Also I did not mean to mimic you though I guess I can see how you would think that.
I'm worried that we may lynch an innocent but I guess that is a risk we may have to take if we're going to purge our community of the mafia. For now I will wait for someone to slip up till I vote, I want to be sure of my accusation.

Mitsuo man, you just gotta do it. Igor makes the rules and we gotta follow 'em, otherwise, well... I wonder what would happen. The game wouldn't be fun, in any case!

Prodding some inactives seems like an alright idea.

##Vote: [M] Daisuke

Come on, football man! Let's see some work ethic!

Mitsuo man, you just gotta do it. Igor makes the rules and we gotta follow 'em, otherwise, well... I wonder what would happen. The game wouldn't be fun, in any case!

Prodding some inactives seems like an alright idea.

##Vote: [M] Daisuke

Come on, football man! Let's see some work ethic!

I can get behind this. For Now. I would rather go on a panty raid to say.... Rise's house?

##Vote: Daisuke

GaHHHH! But what if he turns out to be INNOCENT!
##unvote: daisuke

That's a risk we must be willing to take, for all we know he could turn out to be a mafia member so it's worth a shot.

##vote: daisuke

Mitsuo a page before he goes after Teddy. Adachi guns for his boss Dojima. Shu bandwagons.

Another small one for a suspect, Namatame:

Although I have nothing to contribute to the mafia, I just wanted to say that I want Dojima-san inside me.

OH BABY!

Get in line.

Nuh-uh! He's mine of course, the person playing as my character can have him too. ^_-

Lies! I have claimed him.

##Vote: [M] Kashiwagi

Although I have nothing to contribute to the mafia, I just wanted to say that I want Dojima-san inside me.

OH BABY!

Get in line.

Nuh-uh! He's mine of course, the person playing as my character can have him too. ^_-

Lies! I have claimed him.

##Vote: [M] Kashiwagi

NO! I'll kill you!! ...or at least vote for you.

##Vote: Namatame

Kashiwagi and Namatame jokingly? at each others throats. Simple motivation at the time so it's actually a reason to think Namatame isn't mafia, making him fall a little on my suspect list.

I don't remember these votes in the final count but this is as far as page 2 goes for me...

Daidara is a silent guy who needs to speak up. You and Hanako, man.

[[M] Gaius]

I'm running short of time so let's tackle some recent posts:

OK, so here we are Day 2 and it doesn't look as if we are any closer to figuring out who might be Mafia. I know everyone is speculating about who might be scum, however, there has been little proof anywhere to suggest that the person is. So, my question is, how do we really go about finding the clues we need. I know, we are suppose to talk to each other and see if anyone is suspect, but truthfully, I haven't seen anyone do anything that would suggest anything (except for Teddy, and look how that turned out). What makes someone more suspicious than someone else? Is it someone who points the finger, or the person who agrees with the person pointing the finger, or the person not around to agree or disagree? From what I've read, there are people who believe each one these types are guilty, and others who believe that none of these types are guilty. I am very confused. Being fairly new to the game, can anyone with experience tell me what exactly we are looking for, and how to recognize it when we see it? Are the conversations that we have together the only clue or are their other ways to investigate?

Rise, it can be any of that which is why the game is so hard. The mafia also use the same reasons to blacken innocent's names and make themselves respectable, so any or none of it may matter. Positives in our favor are low. A living Cop may eventually come out and save the day with great results if you like those odds. The other thing in our favor for real evidence are the votes and arguments people give. If we're lucky, we'll flip a scum soon and then we can examine their arguments and try from their to find their friends.

Warning, my schedule means I can only post in the early afternoon and late at night, so during the peak times of activities, I won't be around: I'll be working. So yeah, thus why I am quiet.

Anyways, I think it is fair to say that there is 3-4 Mafia in this game. Normally that's about how many there are.

As for suspects? I agree that one, at maybe two, voted for Teddie.

I have skimmed most of the posts (you guys post a lot while I was gone!) but from my impressions I am suspicious of Shu and Naoto, and possibly Adachi but maybe the game is making me bias.

Maybe I am naive, but I believe Rise when she said she just got home and went through it quickly. Her pointing at Hanako seems suspicious yet not as much as Shu's attack on her.

Naoto is evidentally trying to be in character but at the same time it seems like they are trying to steer us without actually doing much of consequence themselves.

##Vote: Shu

Thanks, Tanaka. That makes a few of us who are certain we can nab a scum in the Teddie pool and those suspects are Yukiko, Adachi, and Namatame.

I agree also that Shu and Naoto are suspect for their behaviors.

Naoto, this isn't good enough.

Sorry about not being around, I was dealing with some fatigue.

To clarify why I did not participate in the tie breaker when given the chance was simply a matter of of not believing either was truly guilty. Both suspects were trying too hard to stand out and put targets on their backs. I'm not the type to join in capital punishment against a suspect unless I know all the facts point to a guaranteed guilty verdict.

As I was suggesting earlier, I would be more concerned about those who are trying to stay below the radar. Considering how quick everyone was to lynch the obvious odd balls in the town, it would seem to me that the best course of action for the mafia members would be to mostly keep low profiles and try to avoid any kind of open suspicion, hence my suspicion of Chie, Yukiko, Namatame, and Hanako. I would also be somewhat suspicious of Souji, since he quickly came in, mentioned his "experience", jumped onto getting rid of Teddie rather quickly rather than be reluctant like most of the townsfolk were. It felt to me like they were creating a sense of rep for themselves, to get the rest of us to trust them. He quickly chooses a target and then quickly tries to steer everyone towards someone who is, sadly in hindsight, too obvious to be part of the mafia. In an effort to mislead us.

It just feels to me like Souji was trying to choose a target to get everyone frenzied over to cover their own tracks, while people really discuss things to see if anyone left more subtle clues. While this is certainly damning for myself as well, I feel the best way to hide would be to try an act like the authority and instigator.

While I think many of your points are fine and dandy, refusing to vote because we have no evidence is exactly what you must do cause of one simple reason: we have no evidence! If you mean to say you will never vote until we lynch at least one scum then I'm at a loss about your goals.

I was hoping to discuss Souji more in detail but I'm going for Shu for now since I don't suspect Rise.

##VOTE: [M] Shu

[[M] Mom – Host]

6 hours remaining for Day 2, it seems to be only starting too! Oh well. Let's try to nab scum, shall we?

Current votecount.

[M] Rise (2) - [M] Yukiko, [M] Shu
[M] Shu (2) - [M] Tanaka, [M] Morooka
[M] Mitsuo (1) - [M] Chie
[M] Chie (1) - [M] Adachi

[[M] Colette]

Good morning everyone. I will be entrenched at work when Day 2 ends and will not be around to make the tie breaking vote. So, having read Morooka (thank you so much for explaining in detail) and everyone else's exlainations of what Mafia may or may not do to try and blend it with the rest of me I cast my vote:

##VOTE: [M] Shu

Shu, you always seem to be right there encouraging the finger pointer and joining the bandwagan.

[[M] Felix]

Apologizes for my inactivity, I decided to go to bed a little early last night. Having read the very little posting Day 2 so far there isn't a lot to go on! As a result I'm going to make my vote based on past experience (the tie break vote resulting in a townies death) and based on the fact I don't believe Shu, based on what's been said so far is guilty. So I vote for the last person to vote for Teddie.

##Vote: Rise

[[M] Felix]

##Unvote: Rise

##Vote: [M] Rise

Just making sure my vote counts