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I miss the PSN for my Netlflix account. I don't buy anything from the store, and barely play online (GT5 and Tekken 6). It's annoying, but I'll live.

Free games is nice to know.
Netflix still works. You just have to attempt to sign in to PSN until it stops bugging you, and for me I think it just asks twice.

I got Portal 2 today and I'm sad I can't tie my Steam account to it.
Netflix glitch apparently stopped working for most users last thursday according to the comments I have seen on the net.

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Articles about the Sony fiasco are filled with comments by PS3 owners about how ty Sony are at this for the moment and bitching that they can't play online. A cursory glance over my Facebook feed shows the ps3 owners there bitching at it too. A search for PS3 related pages turns up a lot of bitching at Sony pages on Facebook. Generally speaking you know a small number, less than 0.5% of the 77million reported members of PSN. The fact that you might know say 30 - 40 people with ps3 consoles and they all have "lives" as you put it means nothing. whats 30 - 40 out of 77 million? 1% is 770000 members. You're talking bout a drop in the ocean and need to look on the bigger picture.

Another thing is that the Xbox 360 owners are generally laughing this one up at the moment because in the eternal console war that goes on every place gamers talk one consistent "benefit" Sony users throw in the faces of Microsoft users is the free online gaming vs xbox live gold accounts at £39.99 a year. Whilst the standard reply has always been about mentioning that PSN stability is not very good and it will generally crash more often than XBL and you get what you pay for, a better online service with XBL over PSN. PSN users have always just tried to contest it. This fiasco however is pretty much irrefutable that MS have at least done something right and that Sony managed to break the laws of physics (see my earlier post on this) by dropping the ball so hard. It's a case of these smug little PS3 fanboys who constantly go on about it (theres some on here too, they know who they are) actually cannot defend this, this is pretty indefensible. The PSN will be offline for over 1 month. Being offline for over a month in the current top generation gaming market is a big deal. Its been estimated to have cost Sony $1.25 billion. That number alone points out just how much a big deal a stable, secure gaming network is in todays world and of course the value of not pissing off every fringe group out there. MS don't get hacked, not because it isn't worth doing there are millions of users credit card details on it. It isn't hacked because MS haven't tried to stomp around like Godzilla and also because MS invested in the development of their network using money found exclusively through the registration fees for it. Sony was running outdated software, no firewalls...the list of flaws goes on. If Sony had been charging for the PSN from day one as would have been sensible when your £450 console cost over £600 each to make (original UK figures on the ps3) and the newer version of the console costs around £270 to make and sells for £300 thereabouts then Sony 1) wouldn't still be operating at a loss on the PS3. 2) would have had money to invest in to the psn, whats more they would have been expected by their loyal customers to invest more in it, security and stability would have been vastly improved. So the free online gaming is mainly a gimmick rather than a logical business plan.

Long term for Sony, a loss of $1.25bn is a major blow, this is not counting recouped losses from developers like Capcom who estimate the outage has cost them hundreds of thousands if not millions so far and would be seeking some kind of compensation/reimbursement. The console was finally seeing a gain towards breaking even after being sold for a loss for many years. Though admittedly Sony could have kept costs down by keeping hardware the same over the years rather than pay developers and designers to re-do the console in a style which physically looks worse. Not to mention the fact that there has been around 10 different HDD sizes available over the years. If you consider it takes more than just plugging in a different HDD for a games console. It takes the buying, sourcing or producing of the HDD and other components then making the consoles and changing the computer controlled assembly lines programming to cope with changes in components it quickly becomes an expensive endeavour. This recent fiasco is not helping the company with their customers, many of whom frustrated with the lack of information, customer care or ability of the Sony technicians to get the PSN up and running again are turning to "the dark side" and trading in their PS3 consoles and getting cheap blu-ray players for their films and 360's for their gaming (Ironically, this option can work out cheaper with sales and special purchase price points in stores to buying a ps3 to begin with) and joining XBL. Combined the losses made on the ps3 I do not believe will be the death-knell for Sony as a games company like many other bloggers and game journalists are saying. It will however send important messages to Sony and the games industry about how to handle customers, networking and so forth. I would be very surprised if the PSN stayed free, especially once the PS3s successor console comes on to the market and the NGP later this year. Sony has made huge losses and the only real way to recoup these losses is to take away the privilege of free online multi-player gaming. If Sony ignores and absorbs yet more losses from their gaming side then I would be surprised if in years to come we see a Playstation 3 successor because losses like the ones already sustained by Sony on the PS3 is enough to have taken some of their rivals from the time of the PS2 out of the market, yes we're talking Sega and we're talking about the Dreamcast vs the PS1 and PS2. Either way the real losers here are not going to be Sony, it will be the customers of Sony. Customers who will see games developers either force Sony's hand on charging for the access to the PSN to recover losses and to cover the hefty loss of income lawsuits that will follow or an increase in the price of hardware. (or likely as the ps3 is still "overpriced" compared to it's rivals hardware a lack in price drops) That or they will see less PS related exclusives as games developers upset with the lack of compensation for loss of income turn their back on Sony and focus more on Microsoft and Nintendo.

I can guarantee almost that the games Sony offer as compensation in Europe will be Sony in-house titles. I can also almost certainly guarantee that they will be Platinum titles on the PS3 and either Platinum or "best seller" series on the PSP. A choice of 5 (ps3) and 4 (psp) is not exactly a huge choice when it comes to Sony games in that market. LBP will probably be one along with Uncharted/Uncharted 2 but thats me being optimistic about Sony putting good stuff in there. I doubt sincerely that any out of house publisher is going to let Sony give their game away free as compensation for Sony's smurf up when it's costing them money. If Sony therefore offers out of house titles that is further losses to the company (since they will then have to pay the full retail price to the publisher) which it can ill afford at this time.

Further hurting Sony is that retailers are finding it hard to recommend purchasing the PSP Go! system or the PS3 at this time. Online gaming is a must for the PSP Go! and a big part of gaming for the PS3. I work in games retail and every time a customer asks me about the PSP Go! I have to say "So yeah the console costs you this much but it must connect to the PSN. The main issue there with that is that the PSN is down and isn't expected to be back online until around May the 31st. Which means sure, you can buy the console now but you won't be able to do anything at all with it until the 31st at the earliest." At which point customers either give up since there is no point in buying it or customers ask me about the Nintendo 3DS instead. When it comes to the PS3, people come in expecting to buy the console and CoD Black Ops or Crysis 2 and I'm asked about online, I have to tell them the same thing that the console cannot go online until then. Something which could affect the obtaining of Trophies or even the playability of the game (update patches which are especially common on the PS3 right after launch of a title since the games tend to be less finished than their 360 counterparts due to difficulty of coding for the console) So customers end up buying 360s instead since they save almost £100 and can still get Black Ops and Crysis 2 but can play them online straight away provided they buy XBL gold membership out of that near £100 saving or sign up for a new windows live account to get a 1 month free trial of XBL gold.

I think I've pointed out why 360 owners get to laugh and point out the massive failings of Sony here and also why the only losers really in all of this will be Sony fans.