It was an accident and a rational person should be able to forgive a company for making a mistake. We are of course the victims but so are Sony in a way. I tend not to get so bitter about this stuff.
It was an accident and a rational person should be able to forgive a company for making a mistake. We are of course the victims but so are Sony in a way. I tend not to get so bitter about this stuff.
I'm not angry with Sony but I wouldn't mind kicking those hackers in the nuts!
Yes, we can forgive if we want (and I do), but I still think that they did need to apologise because if you make mistakes this costly, apologising is generally the first thing you do. People need to say sorry before they ask for forgiveness. People also need to compensate for losses. Luckily, Sony have done / are doing both.Originally Posted by Dreddz
They are victims of the hacking (Hackers should apologise).
We are victims of the poor security (Sony should apologise) and the hacking (Hackers should apologise).
Hackers, of course, should also be arrested and whatnot. Obviously. Seriously, can you imagine if they do catch the guys behind this? What kind of sentence do you think they would get?
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Not sure why I'm bothering, and this wasn't even the only case of bad information in this post, but Xbox Live has been hacked hacked before: Xbox Live hacked, accounts stolen | ZDNet
And at the end of the day, we're talking about Microsoft here. Maker of Windows. Japanese companies may not be known for their programming prowess or excellent network security, but how much faith can you really put in Microsoft's ability to build a stable and secure system? They seem to only get it to an ok level with operating systems every 2 or 3 iterations.
Just noticed this in your second post and stopped reading there because, frankly, I don't want to spend half my day reading that to refute you. The hardware failure rates for the PS3 and the RROD aren't comparable. Even the much vaunted yellow light affects a small fraction of PS3 consoles. Not even close to the much reported RROD which was shown to affect anywhere from 25-35% of 360's by numerous sources. I won't bother linking since a quick search of Wikipedia could have shown you this.
Let's be clear, I have no problem with someone who wants to point out problems with any console. I encourage it even. I also have no problem with someone saying the PSN outage is a huge deal and a major issue; I've said as much already in this very thread. But for Thor's sake, if you're going to start throwing around bold statements of fact for or against any console, at least take the time to research it first to make sure you aren't wrong.
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I don't believe Xbox Live was actually hacked - from what I've read, it was mostly pretexting that allowed users to get access to other people's accounts. From what I understand, pretexting is just finding information about a user and using it to access their accounts. Poor security on the user end, if you like.
Having said all that, yes, Microsoft is a common target for hacking but they probably do have better security than PSN had recently because they are a common target. Sony, if anything, had too little experience with being a target and thus didn't have a very good idea on what hackers were capable of and what they would try to do.
The Xbox 360 has been hacked just like the PS3 was so that altnerative OS's could be used on the console. MS banned these consoles from accessing Xbox Live. The problem with Sony is that the PS3's hacked into could somehow act as if they were developer consoles, and this bypassed a lot of security. Could be wrong, mind you, I'm just going by memory here on what I've read.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
For clarification sake, I wasn't trying to imply that Microsoft doesn't have better security than Sony, when you're completely correct that they likely due simply from experience. But it's still Microsoft, and they do have a pretty poor history at times of finding and fixing security holes in their programs. Not to belittle the task of keeping such complex programs and systems secure at all, but given how tempting a target Live must be I wouldn't be quick to have complete faith in Microsoft to make it the most secure system in the world and keep it that way, whether you pay for it or not.
That trick worked over the first weekend after the PSN went down, then no more. It's hasn't worked for me in a good while. I still try it every evening for grins and giggles. After about the 10th try I move one. Maybe it'd work if I kept trying, but I don't think so.Netflix still works. You just have to attempt to sign in to PSN until it stops bugging you, and for me I think it just asks twice.
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AgreedYou and I should be friends.
Toyota reported problems with a lot of their cars earlier, and now GM is overtaking them as #1 car company (maybe in the usa; I didn't bother reading the article itself).
xbawksy 360 fanbois would herald this as possibly the silly move that removes sony as a legitimate competitor. Personally I like ps3 to xbawksies and I never put my CC information in the PSN (thank God; I downloaded a god of war demo that never did copy to my PSP, so I didn't buy the game), so i don't personally care
The thread is too long but I think some Toronto schmuck is planning to start a class action lawsuit. 1 million people. 1 thousand dollars each. lol brilliance.
Is it just me or was it pretty dumb to have your credit card information on PSN anyway? I mean common sense says anything computer related nowadays is likely to be hacked by some deuce bag so why leave yourself open to that? I mean sure in a perfect world we should be able to save our information online for easy access but identity fraud is a major problem nowadays. Hackers of course shouldn't hack your information but the consumer should take their own protection steps, whether or not the website claims it protects your information.
Anytime I purchased something from the PSN store I bought the PSN vouchers because it just seemed easier than messing about with credit card info. Any other online purchases I make I use a 3V card (not that I make that many to be honest) because even if they get the info once I use the voucher it's useless to them.
TIL Iceglow cares way too much about console wars
Not really wanting to step in on the console wars here, since I don't care much for online gaming, especially on consoles, but I was under the impression that XBL has had several large service interruptions as well, including one just a few months ago (from what I've heard, not what I've experienced, I rarely use PSN, and have never used XBL). Granted, this is the longest time that I know of that a service has been down, but both services have had their downtime in the past, so how can this effectively be used as an argument for or against a console?
Not that it matters, the console fanboy wars will continue forever. I highly doubt this is gonig to do anything to ruin Sony as a competitor for Microsoft in the console department.
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what i find the saddest about the psn-hack..
is how desperate people seem to have become now that they cant play COD-multyplayer -.-
Saw some reactions on other sites and it just to sad for words.. it almost amazes me that there hasnt been news about some1 going suicide over it.
All the sudden they say: Psn suck etc etc etc.. while before that they had the greatest joy with it. and saying they wil switch to xbox becaus PSN is a view weeks down..
Seriously.. GET A LIFE... its beautiful weather (here) so wtf are u waiting for psn anyway????????
ive got PS3 to, but i truly cant be bothered that psn is down.
Yeah I'm not much of an online gamer myself & as much as I do want to game sometimes I don't get pissed off if something comes up & I can't.
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