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It could be for the same reason as Solom Ring. He may not have had the right materials and he may not have realized it was a summon. Regardless, it had to be a summon if it saved Rinoa's life in the spacesuit. Why else would they put emphasis on it during that scene?
Because Rinoa's final thoughts are about Squall? I'm with KaiserDragon here, this whole scene is simply just Rinoa thinking about Squall, the Ring is a symbol of Squall, she even is talking about Squall after her life support goes out, and when Squall is time jumping through Rinoa's memories, he winds up in her body at this time and encourages her to live. That's when she wakes up and sees the necklace, after Squall has been encouraging, her, I feel this pretty much shows that the necklace is meant to be symbolizing Squall, not just an arbitrary plot device that the game never goes into, but supposedly is connected to a major plot twist that neither source materials support, and is so subtly hidden in the plot that it takes careful interpretations of the scene to realize what is "really going on".

Rinoa obviously saw Adel's life when junctioned to her. There would be no other reason to mention such a statement. Squall and Seifer knew Garden and had grown up there a majority of their life, in this instance, Rinoa would lose her earliest memories (those of her life in Galbadia) and then she could only have Adel's memories to draw from, which she gained at 17. While that may not make a lot of sense, you have to recognize that GF's seem to specifically target a persons earliest memories (one of the reasons for the Orphanage scene) so Adel's memories wouldn't have been her earliest. It's obvious she saw Adel's memories, perhaps in a similar fashion that the party saw Laguna's (the only example we can really draw from), and I believe she did comment that they scared her.
She never comments on her feelings about Adel's memories, she simply stated she was in her younger body, before Ellone ejected her. I've already quoted the only thing she said about Adel above. The big issues with the theory, is that we have to assume Rinoa spent a significant amount of time in Adel's past to mistake them for her own memory, but the game kind of shows that the time traveler and their body experiences the past in the same amount of time. Whenever Squall and Zell are knocked out from time travel, they remain that way until whatever in the past is resolved, and comments from other party members suggest this is a significant amount of time. Whereas, Rinoa was briefly in Adel's past before Ellone pulled the plug. Hardly enough time for any significant amount of memories to be assimilated in Rinoa's body.

There is also the argument that this requires years of being in contact with Greiver to eventually wipe out her memories so she can confuse Adel's with hers. This still requires that you assume that Adel's memories are not targeted by the GF, which, without any really direct evidence to state contrary, is a bit far fetched.

The other issue here, is that Ultimecia is stated to exist in a future several generations from their own time, which means she's at least 60 to 90 years into the future, but the Ultimania, specifically states that Witches have normal human lifespans. So now we have to find evidence that explains how Rinoa could live that long to become Ultimecia.


Actually, she isn't equipped with any GFs for the portion of the story she is incapacitated. If she had them, she would've used them to rescue herself regardless. Her sorceress powers aren't ever focused on unless she's being controlled. Don't you find it even the least bit curious that after her oxygen ran out, the only thing emphsized was Squall's ring?

Finally, I'm not sure what you mean by 'the persons being' part. People grow into whom they are based on their experiences in the past. If her earliest memories faded away and all that was left was Adel's then all she could draw from would be Adel's memories.

I'm not entirely sure what could've happened to those memories. It's not implausible that the year long decades eventually wiped them entirely and left her with only Adel's memories.
Actually the scene leading up to Rinoa seeing the ring, is Squall's consciousness in her body, encouraging her to not give up. I also would like to think that if Griever saved her, the game would have made it more obvious with a flash of light or something. I think this is just a matter of willpower. Even with her oxygen gone, it would still takes anywhere from 6-8 minutes minutes for the lack of oxygen to irreversibly damage her organs and kill her. Losing consciousness would take less time and I feel Squall's encouragement simply kept her from doing so.

I must admit, your point is valid. It doesn't make sense for her to not remember her friends and Squall. But here's something rather peculiar, Ultimecia seems to have some sort of vague manipulative fondness for Seifer yet when Squall dives into Rinoa's mind, Ultimecia's 'mental image' turns to him and is confused by his very presence. She outright asks him whom he is. This is the only time Ultimecia addresses him apart from his SeeD identity and sees Squall for himself and not as just another SeeD.
Her fondness from Seifer stems from Seifer's dream to be a Knight that protects a Sorceress. He's just easily manipulated because of this, as well as him apparently recognizing who Matron was from the start. As for the scene where she asks Squall who he is, they are both occupying Rinoa's body at this time. It stand to reason, she simply felt Squall's consciousness enter Rinoa's body and was simply trying o figure out who this other consciousness was. Her reaction is really not far fetch.

Do you not find it odd that Ultimecia goes so far as to junction herself in the final battle to a summon that, for the entirety of the game, figuratively represented Squall? I think it's possible that she didn't 'remember' Squall or the others but still 'loved' Squall so she fused with a GF that physically represented what he was all about to aid her in her misguided judgement.
Using Scan on Griever suggests that Griever is simply born from Squall's interpretation of what he feels the Ultimate Summon is. The party kicked her ass, they finally kicked Griever's ass, why not Junction to him and see how they fare with their combined power?

I just don't think their is enough evidence to suggest R=U, on the contrary, I feel there is more evidence to suggest Ultimecia is simply what she appears to be, a psycho, power hungry witch from the future.