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    All I will say is that when the developer has to come out and justify the fact that they are making a game it isn't a positive sign.

    The comments are much better than the article.

    The hardcore Final Fantasy fans of the PlayStation Era, 1995 – 2006 will know that the games people enjoyed most were numbers 7 through 10...
    Hardcore old school FF fans... that only place stock in games made after 95...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloZer0 View Post
    All I will say is that when the developer has to come out and justify the fact that they are making a game it isn't a positive sign.
    Good point.

    Seems like the basic answer is 'it was easier than doing something original.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloZer0 View Post
    All I will say is that when the developer has to come out and justify the fact that they are making a game it isn't a positive sign.

    The comments are much better than the article.

    The hardcore Final Fantasy fans of the PlayStation Era, 1995 – 2006 will know that the games people enjoyed most were numbers 7 through 10...
    Hardcore old school FF fans... that only place stock in games made after 95...
    It is very common question, "should they have made a sequel to FFXIII" ? Simply, their is a vocal minority which try so hard to press their views on what a company should do and shouldn't about FFXIII-2/remake of this and that, etc.

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    VeloZer0 nailed it.

    I'm impressed with your restraint though Wolf. I figured you'd be as annoyed by this game as I am. I don't have a problem with a sequel if it's a sequel to a good game, that improves on that game, and if the original left a good jumping off point for a sequel.

    But since I don't think FFXIII meets these criteria, let alone was good enough to justify iterating on it, this just stinks of Square wanting some easy money and knowing it will sell millions regardless of what they do.

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    Eh, I still think it will probably be worth playing through once. Just not at full retail release day pricing. Unfortunately RPGs generally take quite some time to go down in price so I don't know when I will be getting to it. (Not to mention the bad message I am sending to SE by buying it close to release)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murder
    Seems like the basic answer is

    'it was easier than doing something original.'
    This

    it will sell millions regardless
    And this.

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    Anyone who thinks this article is some sort of actual discovery or is somehow a poor reflection on the game or SE as a company is paranoid/dumb. His reasoning as to why FFXIII-2 is being made is the same basic reasoning behind 99% of all sequels ever. It's easy cash and cheaper than starting fresh, and easier than being original.

    Also, there still seem to be people who think video game companies are developing games for some primary reason other than turning the biggest profit they can. lol.
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    Also, there still seem to be people who think video game companies are developing games for some primary reason other than turning the biggest profit they can
    The only question is what the companies business model is on making said money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMKA View Post
    Also, there still seem to be people who think video game companies are developing games for some primary reason other than turning the biggest profit they can. lol.
    Lol. People can't be passionate in what they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivi22 View Post
    VeloZer0 nailed it.

    I'm impressed with your restraint though Wolf. I figured you'd be as annoyed by this game as I am. I don't have a problem with a sequel if it's a sequel to a good game, that improves on that game, and if the original left a good jumping off point for a sequel.

    But since I don't think FFXIII meets these criteria, let alone was good enough to justify iterating on it, this just stinks of Square wanting some easy money and knowing it will sell millions regardless of what they do.
    I promised myself and the rest of staff, not to troll XIII as much. Granted, I do feel the gameplay changes with XIII-2 actually sound like great steps in the right direction, I pretty much have no hope for the plot, since I hated XIII's cast and story so I doubt a sequel is going to redeem it, especially with a time travel plot and FFs track record with time travel plots. I find it amusing they keep comparing the game to Chrono Trigger without recognizing that Chrono Trigger was successful thanks to a series of great people who have no hand in working on XIII-2 (Kato anyone?). I've already done my initial "no sequels to FF" rant before.

    If this article has done anything, it has just proven to me that Kitase and Squenix, no longer believe in the series creator's philosophy for making FF great, which anyone can read from my signature. Sakeguchi believed you had to move away from re-using old plots and characters because it was limiting and made you lazy. Besides, I still stand by my interpretation that FF was always about seeing the last grand adventure of a world. Granted, I don't blame them for ditching the ideal, SE has scared off most of its real talent, and now that Wada is doing more executive meddling to make it more appealing for fans (not realizing its a fractured fanbase that spans over two decades) by trying to make something that will make everyone happy is not going to happen.

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    I still stand by my interpretation that FF was always about seeing the last grand adventure of a world.
    Looks like we actually have a meeting of the minds about something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivi22 View Post
    VeloZer0 nailed it.

    I'm impressed with your restraint though Wolf. I figured you'd be as annoyed by this game as I am. I don't have a problem with a sequel if it's a sequel to a good game, that improves on that game, and if the original left a good jumping off point for a sequel.

    But since I don't think FFXIII meets these criteria, let alone was good enough to justify iterating on it, this just stinks of Square wanting some easy money and knowing it will sell millions regardless of what they do.
    I promised myself and the rest of staff, not to troll XIII as much. Granted, I do feel the gameplay changes with XIII-2 actually sound like great steps in the right direction, I pretty much have no hope for the plot, since I hated XIII's cast and story so I doubt a sequel is going to redeem it, especially with a time travel plot and FFs track record with time travel plots. I find it amusing they keep comparing the game to Chrono Trigger without recognizing that Chrono Trigger was successful thanks to a series of great people who have no hand in working on XIII-2 (Kato anyone?). I've already done my initial "no sequels to FF" rant before.

    If this article has done anything, it has just proven to me that Kitase and Squenix, no longer believe in the series creator's philosophy for making FF great, which anyone can read from my signature. Sakeguchi believed you had to move away from re-using old plots and characters because it was limiting and made you lazy. Besides, I still stand by my interpretation that FF was always about seeing the last grand adventure of a world. Granted, I don't blame them for ditching the ideal, SE has scared off most of its real talent, and now that Wada is doing more executive meddling to make it more appealing for fans (not realizing its a fractured fanbase that spans over two decades) by trying to make something that will make everyone happy is not going to happen.
    True, It's all about how they really don't know how to make a full FF game from scratch without reaching Duke Nukem Forever's delay vapourware hell. A company need to sell stuff to make money, and they can't sell if they don't have a product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshinori Kitase
    We have the engine, the environment, the characters, and the basic storyline. That’s already laid out for us so we’re able to spend more time fine-tuning the game and listening to the fans, and making changes based off the feedback.
    Um, is it just me, or did most fans not like the environment, the characters, and the basic storyline???

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno
    Chrono Trigger was successful thanks to a series of great people who have no hand in working on XIII-2 (Kato anyone?).
    Overrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Depression Moon View Post
    Lol. People can't be passionate in what they do?
    No, they're not allowed

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