Mafia XXI History Edition Game Thread Day 1: 21st Century Beatdown

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Look, guys, it is definitely, definitely, time I get going to bed. I have an hour or two before work when I will be free, so do me proud and come up with better theories.

[[M] Elize]

If we can rock the mafia's plan of silence, they will crumble.

[[M] Colette]

##Vote: [M] Mao Zedong

I am not a fan of the hairline.

This is the one and only post I could find on Queen Isabella. She looked less suspicious to me that Saladen because she posted relatively early in the game and then disappaered which could mean something came up and she is unable to play. I heard a rumor that that mods were looking for replacements, so maybe she is one of the characters in need of a replacement. I am withholding judgement on her until I know more.

[[M] Anise]

I think it's at least partially because some people who signed up were signing up for a January game that never happened and for whom staying involved in a February game is problematic. At least I hope that's the excuse, otherwise, yes, it's annoying that so many people are being boring. I'm trying to avoid voting for inactives just because that's no fun. It's mindless guessing. But another day or so of it and there won't be anyone left to vote for. The number that's most worrisome to me is the number of people not voting at all. If they are in fact townies that means we're almost out of time. Because once it gets down to them, it's basically game over.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Shaka is starting to make more sense. Specifically this,

Oh and I can prove I am Misogynistic Townie a by voting for a male, then when a mod does a vote count you will see that my vote will not be counted I think that should be proof enough that my role claim is fact.

I think it will be proof you are a misogynist, yes, but that does not guarantee your color, Simon. Pretty hefty claim that being a woman-hater would also clear your name.

As I was reading the thread I was thinking that exact thought before I read it from Shaka.

It seems more of now that it's just been finger pointing at each other. I'm going to unvote him and heading to bed myself. I'll look more into this in the morning but for now I don't think putting a knife at each others throats is a productive way to spend the rest of the day. We still have about 13 hours left from the time I post this. It seems a few people are just bandwagonning on Shaka and I. Which may very well be what mafia would want to accomplish. The most vocal town taking each other out rather than the actual threats. I'm not completely convinced Shaka is scot free but i'm less inclined than I was before.

We can always revisit anything said within the next 13 hours. No point in rushing a day when we can get more done.

##Unvote: Shaka

I don't like how Saladin has acted, as Ghengis and Toku pointed out, but I think we should give him a chance to retort the allegations. But as I said, we have about 13 hrs left still so maybe he'll pop back in here.

[[M] Eizen]

Catherine - One of the driving forces of conversation in this game. Not outwardly suspicious.

Elizabeth - Follows suit on Bolivar's vote post 2. Appears again day 3 casts suspicion on Gandhi & Catherine.Isabella - Mostly inactive.

Previous games of Mafia, Dynasty Warriors: Lu Bei: a major driving force in the game, flips the Godfather... you claim that she is not outwardly suspicious when she has been there pointing fingers at alot of people, to me that says she is scum, and if she gets hung and flips Mafia you wouldn't be doing yourself any favours saying that she appears unsuspicious.

As with me casting suspicions on Ghandi, atm I don't believe him to be scum, not yet at least, I believe you must have misunderstood my meaning when I mentioned his name in my previous post, I was merely pointing out the fact that she started casting suspicions on him after he voted for her which is a scummy tactic, and you have barely posted anything yourself exept to defend someone who at the time was joint in last place for being lynched... a very suspicious act if you ask me... pointing fingers at alot of people then defend only one... it stinks of a fellow Mafian trying to defend their friend.

As to me not being very active I have stated more then once I can't play very often as I have to much on my plate atm, pointing fingers at me for being inactive is like clutching at straws? I see someone acting scummy, post my thoughts on the matter and another person agree's with me *looks at simon* now I need to explain myself? I kind of thought I already did that with my original post.

At the end of the day if she flips scum then you will definitely be my next most suspicious person... if not, you will remain as most people on the list of my possible scum, but then there is only one person who I trust in this game and that is myself.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Elizabeth I would like take issue with a number of points you have made.

Firstly, I would very much appreciate it if in this mafia game and all other future mafia games, people stop using the logic of "Person Y did X and they were scum, so all people who do Y are scum." It's faulty logic. I can provide you with countless examples of someone being a driving force in the town who turned out to be town. I can also provide you with examples of scum members saying "In mafia game ABC, Joe the Dude did this and he is mafia". We have played a lot of mafia games now, it is likely that people of both affiliations have taken a variety of different actions, and you can use it to justify whatever you want. It is not constructive and I will hope any long time EoFF mafia players will agree with me on this one.

Secondly, I did not say Gandhi was suspicious. I said he was on my radar because I wanted further clarification on his vote for me. You will note that once he did so I did not pursue the matter further. I feel that you have twisted my words to suit your agenda and I am not grateful for this misrepresentation. I would like to note that Tokagawa also voted for me and I did not question him; you should note I questioned the why, not the what. However, supposing I had accused Gandhi. Are you saying that I cannot question or accuse anyone of being suspicious if they vote for me? Using your logic, a mafia member should vote for every single other player in the game and be above suspicion. I am sorry but I am going to question anyone who has acted suspiciously regardless if they have voted for me, and if that makes me suspicious to you then so be it, but I would have little time for any opinion based on this.

I also believe that pointing the finger at more than one person is a good tactic, and not a suspicious one. I would be more suspicious or perhaps, exasperated, at players who only concentrate on one player. Remember that, in all likelihood, there is more than one member of the mafia. Naturally it makes sense to therefore look at more than one person if you want to contribute to the town's success. I feel that to accuse someone of suspicion because of this is inherently flawed.

As for my suspicions I think Cat is acting pretty scummy, Hard questioning of Mao, it could be a Mafia ploy, having a Mafia sacrifice themselves by acting stupid would have vindicated Cat by her in most peoples eyes

You will also notice how Ghandi voted for Cat yesterday and today Cat find's him suspicious, acting very scummy indeed, now, some people might say I'm acting scum like for casting my vote now then possibly not showing up again for the rest of the game, but if I get lynched then w/e that would prove my innocence and therefor have the finger firmly pointed at Cat, who I think could very well be scum

So let me clarify this. You put forward the theory that Mao was mafia and I was also mafia, sacrificing Mao would vindicate me. Therefore mafia voting for mafia team mates to vindicate themselves is a tactic they use. And now Mao has flipped town. Now what? And yet you - let's suppose you are right and you are indeed confirmed town - voting for me somehow proves I'm scum? I don't think this makes much sense. Are you saying town members only vote for the mafia and because a confirmed town votes for someone we should use that as a damning indictment? I honestly do not understand where you are coming from here.

I would like you to consider these points I have made. I would also like Simon who seemingly agrees with you to do the same. Thank you for your time.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

I've read through the thread again & through the posts that have been made whilst I slept. Whilst some of the more active players have some major explaining to do, Saladin needs to be forced to talk. Gandhi should be known my suspicion on him remains vote change or not.

##Unvote: [M] Gandhi
##Vote: [M] Saladin

Simon's roleclaim also seems a bit off but he again need to offer more to the conversation

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

Sorry, going to bed now.

[[M] D'Anna]

And now it appears Saladin decides to post, only to announce heading to bed. From the looks of it, he refuses to take any part in game. His few posts were all very short with no contents. This is making him look very bad, in my opinion. I do not think we will be able to get much out of Saladin if he decides to sleep the rest of the day. This is very suspicious.

##Unvote: Alexander the Great
##Vote: Saladin

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

So you're leaving without explaining yourself? Fantastic!

[[M] D'Anna]

Allow me to quote all of Saladin's posts he had made so far...

Sorry for not posting before, but I was asleep when the day started.

How long do we have left?

Sorry, going to bed now.

Three posts, and each one add nothing to help us at all.

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Yup just 3 posts! If you are town Saladin you're certainly not helping our cause much

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

I slept more than planned, but am back to weigh in. The most immediate thing I can say is I am thankful Catherine is not merely out for blood because lynching me seems easy.

[[M] Jeff - Single Dad]

Isabella may be a busy person, but does she not have time to post even once more on Day 3? I may lead a busy life, but if I can make time to post, she can.