i just solo'ed them, got 'em first try on ng++
killing orstein first is definitely the way to go although at this point im confident i could do either or.

platinum in 170 hours

i think i should take a break from the game for a while

but this was definitely one of the best i've played

looking forward to 2, though my time management isn't so hot hahaha

oh man. i dunno if i'm at peace or just sad now. i'll probably be still reading the thread...maybe in a month or so start a lvl1 pvp character or something
hahaha and invade people like an evil bastard