So next movie won't be Batman 4 but Robin 1? This is supposed to be the end for Batman, right? I think he survived, too, I don't think that was any symbolism they were trying to show in that last scene with Alfred. I mean, come one, auto pilot; it was literally foreshadowing something there when they first mentioned that.

I think I liked the second one better though; I'm sticking with the Joker-Batman dynamic as the best in the series.