Your opinion on his looks are not valid because seymour is a hottie!
Master of the Fork
Cid's Knight
Your opinion on his looks are not valid because seymour is a hottie!
streme Wheelie
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Saving something by killing it is not an original concept. Seymour just borrows it. I think he's a little bit misleading though: I would say he genuinely hates Spira. You have to remember that he suffered ridicule and mistreatment because of his parentage. A combination of payback and the cynical recognition that death and sin are the only certain things.
Originally Posted by Jiro
Meh, i think seymour just tryed too do what ALOT of villians are attempting just recently, *cough* ffxiii-2, naruto ect. *cough*, and thats just destroy everything so there is nothing = no suffering.
A selfish way of removing his own suffering, but also a big headed over powered maniac that thinks hes a god that needs too "save" the world by destroying it. Which in the latter sense makes him selfless.
NONE of the FF villains are unique in any way. Seymour at least has a small claim to fame in being the only one in the series who has had the goal of saving the world. (Vayne wanted to rule the world. The Occuria were just in his way)
Ya know what I hate? People who bitch about Seymour and other villains wanting to mercy kill the world because they personally have had a lot of suffering.
Would people rather a villain who has no grievances with life and just decides to end it all because he read about children starving to death in Africa?
And I agree that Seymour's motives are not crystal clear. You might even say he has layers to his personality. I know this might be frightening to FF fans, since they love their one-dimensional crap-piles like Kefka and Golbez, but I feel it's a nice change in storytelling when writers realize complex, thinking animals have complex ideas.
Seymour isn't just out to end the Spiral of Death. He didn't just kill his father to gain his position as Maester. He has a grudge against those who persecuted him, whether they were guilty of it like his father or they were innocent like the Ronso. Remember the joy Seymour took in slaughtering them and tormenting Kimahri?
Seymour was not a pure angel of light looking only to save the world from its pain. He was after all a product of that pain himself. But THERE - there is the essence of a good character and good writing. To what extent was he motivated by revenge? Was he more driven by his hatred or by his own ideas of salvation?
Such character analysis and discussion is the very essence of fiction. I can get on here and tell you word-for-word what The Emperor was up to in FFII. There's nothing really to discuss; he's bland and unremarkable. But when multiple people can examine the same material and offer up their own conclusions and ideas, that is when storytelling really becomes something special.
For my part, I think examining Seymour's last words is a good indication of hiw feelings.
"But even after I am gone..Spira's sorrow will prevail."
(recommended you watch the clip)
The dialogue and the voice-acting suggests to me Seymour was quite....melancholy. He did truly believe Spira was "a land of suffering and sorrow caught in a spiral of death". However he was far from altruistic and my personal guess is that he had largely repressed his childhood traumas behind his rationalization of saving the world. So, consciously, he did believe he was helping, but subconsciously, he just wanted vengeance. It's intriguing to ponder to what extent each goal motivated him.
I could throw out another possibility as well. His mother's stupid reason for turning herself into Anima was so Seymour could gain acceptance from the people of Spira. Perhaps poor, twisted and deluded Seymour was still attempting to fulfill his mother's wishes.
I don't really believe that but I think the mere fact it's a plausible theory is yet more proof Seymour was a good villain.
Last edited by Forsaken Lover; 09-07-2012 at 01:44 PM.
Final Fantasy is defined by cliches. Play something else if it bugs you.
Last I checked most people don't become Unsents after they die. It takes a lot of willpower and strength that I guess the average Spiran doesn't have.make no damned sense. Destroying Spira will not save it, and we see proof of that thousands of times throughout the game. Heck, Seymour is proof of it himself. He was destroyed, he died, and yet he is not at rest or at peace, instead he gets even more obsessive over his destruction goals. He's more driven, more determined, and more boring after he's dead.
If you focus on Seymour as the main villian of this game you are missing the point of the game.
Ya know, Seymour was a tragic figure but this game goes out of its way to make him un-sympathetic.
And I don't mean it makes him more monstrous. I mean it just makes everyone around him seem monstrous.
Listen to his darling mum.
What is she even talking about?! She became a Final Aeon ie. she is asking him to kill himself.I wanted to give him the strength to live by himself.
And so I becae a fayth.
But...
Because I let him taste power,
He began to thirst for more.
He was not satisfied with my aeon.
He wanted more.
More power.
She is awful.
People on the net aren't much better when they point to him not going on his Pilgrimage to defeat Sin.
Child Seymour is not a monster because he chose not to commit suicide
Edit:
And let's make it even worse. From the prefly flashback in Zanarkand:
Translation: Kill yourself and then people will like you.Young Seymour: No! Mother, no! I don't want you to become a fayth!
Seymour's Mother: There is no other way. Use me and defeat Sin. Only then will
the people accept you.
Young Seymour: I don't care about them! I need you, mother! No one else!
Seymour's Mother: I don't have much time left.
Last edited by Forsaken Lover; 09-07-2012 at 05:11 PM.
but did they know that (SPOILER) you die when summoning the final aeon?
Pray to Yu Yevon. Dream, fayth. Forever and ever, grant us prosperity.
Master of the Fork
Cid's Knight
I'm sure they probably did. It wasn't like it was a new practice and every summoner who had preformed the final summoning never came back so I'm pretty sure they knew. It was just something they didn't openly talk about.
Also this is an interesting answer to a question I've seen a lot of people ask and which I've wondered about myself.
If Anima is Seymour's Final Aeon, why isn't she that strong?
The answer lies in the bond principle behind the Final Summoning. When she first was changed, Seymour obviously loved his mother deeply. But by the time of the game, he's so far gone that he no longer has the same bond with her. She also seems to be less than happy with her son. And thus the result is a drastically weakened Final Aeon.
Well, rest assured that Tidus is way cooler in the Japanese version, he's basically Ichigo there.
I hesitate to think of Ichigo as "cool."
But compared to Tidus, I guess he is.
Plus Ichigo used to be an alright protagonist in the Before Times.
FF needs a hero like Natsu though.
Well, IMO Tidus is certainly cooler in the Japanese version, and during his narrative parts his voice is actually very soft and beautiful, and pleasant to listen to.
While I do think that the American voice acting is overall better, I always liked Tidus' Japanese voice much more.
But sure, he does sometimes come off as a whiny guy with an annoying voice even there, but his relaxed voice is definitely quite good.
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