Final Fan Frustrations

[Edge7]

Okay, with a fanbase as divisive as Squeenix's let's be honest; we've all wanted to throttle each other every once in a while. So, let's all come clean in this thread. What irks you about other Square Enix fans/ comments made by them?

1. "Final Fantasy IX was a kid's game."
Holy tit you guys, if I had a quarter for every time I read that comment, I wouldn't have to worry about having enough change to do my laundry. From what little of the game I've played, I can say that FFIX has some of the darkest moments in any FF game I've played. I've felt more loss and sorrow in this one cutscene than I have in any other final fantasy game (excluding a few key scenes in FFVI)

2. "Final Fantasy VII needs a remake"
I'll ignore for a second the argument between recycling genuine creativity against being genuinely creative and instead say this: how would you go about remaking Final Fantasy 7? Would you have it resemble the sequels (God, please no), or would you keep it as campy lighthearted, yet occasionally dark as the original (you know, kinda like what FFIX was)? Would the graphics be like modern Final Fantasy, or would they be a bit more anime style to represent the game's frequently humorous tone. Due to the Compilation, the general public has a different view of what FFVII's tone is, which segues into our next problem.

3. "FFVII Bashing"
FFVII is sorta like a younger brother to me. I'll frequently make fun of it for its flaws, but when someone else outright bashes it, I'll get defensive. It was a great game guys. Overrated? Yes. That doesn't mean you should deride it though.

4. "Who cares about this game? Make Kingdom Hearts 3 already"
Kingdom Hearts, while fun, has a story that has rather declined after Chain of Memories, to the point where I could care less about how it's concluded (my opinion). Be grateful Square is continuing to make games for that franchise that resemble the gameplay of the original, as opposed to what happened to front mission, and parasite eve.

Well that's my beef, guys. What grinds your gears?

[I Don't Need A Name]

Just reiterating the FFIX point. The Atmos and Odin cutscenes. That game is one of the most adult of all the Final Fantasy games. FFIX haters need their heads testing

Graphics - That's the main one for me. I say FFVI is my favourite, and all I get is 'Oh my god, how can you play that game. It's all 2D and looks terrible' Try playing the game for once, rather than getting annoyed because it doesn't have 3D bouncing tits.

[Laddy]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:
FFXII wasn't a Final Fantasy game.
Squall was cool.
Tidus was cool.
The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

[Hollycat]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:

The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

... i agree on 3 of them. One of them was a definite improvement.

[Quindiana Jones]

Mature games don't have to be dark anyway. Who are these people that, as soon as they reach adulthood, they immediately stop enjoying life and having fun?

[VeloZer0]

Judging something by it's appearance and not it's content is a sign of immaturity imo....

[Mercen-X]

2. "Final Fantasy VII needs a remake"
how would you go about remaking Final Fantasy 7? Would you have it resemble the sequels (God, please no), or would you keep it as campy lighthearted, yet occasionally dark as the original (you know, kinda like what FFIX was)? Would the graphics be like modern Final Fantasy, or would they be a bit more anime style to represent the game's frequently humorous tone.

I've already remade VII countless times (rescripting and I've also been working on a retelling from the perspective of real-life individuals in the World War II era... I'm not a computer programmer, so I can't do anything people want to look at... Edge7 told me he'd take on the task of reading through my re-script and I haven't heard from him since)...

I am a media glutton. I love the idea of being able to experience something that I love from a different perspective which is why I'm able to enjoy Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus (seriously, if you think the sounds weird, you need to grow up), and Crisis Core. When Before Crisis is finally released on DS, I'm sure I'll enjoy that too.

However, sequels and spin-offs only grant so much. I want to experience the original the same way. Yes, blasphemy, it's true, heresy, I want to be able to watch FF7 as a movie (or a series of movies) or a short-live TV series. I also want to be able to play through Advent Children (it could be similar to Crisis Core) as unlikely as either of those options are.

[Laddy]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:

The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

... i agree on 3 of them. One of them was a definite improvement.

Crisis Core is a good game. However, it expands on things that aren't necessary to the plot.

[sabin101]

What really just gets me is each time something new is about to be announced people keep hoping it will be a final fantasy 7 remake. It is like beating a dead horse lol. I don't think final fantasy 7 needs a remake because of the time and money it would take would just be insane. I think fans should just let it be and move on. Lets say square did come out with a remake and it was not what fans expected to be then the whole game would be ruined. They cannot please everyone so I don't think they should do it. As for final fantasy 9 one of my personal favorites I just don't understand all of the hate for that game. I liked the characters, music, cg, backgrounds etc. I thought it was well made game. Kids game my foot. If you want a kids game go get a wii and play final fantasy mystics quest ha ha.

[Jessweeee♪]

I think it's kind of cool how divided the fanbase is. There's just so many Final Fantasy titles y'know?

[ShinGundam]

1- Too much demand for remakes and ports, not just SE but almost from any Japanese company.

2- The whole notion of " Let's go back to roots", "make a game like the ones when I thought it was good", Or "take this and this from X game __ and copy/paste it into a new Y game". No thanks. I don't want a new game to become a bunch of copy/pasted things to please one segment of a fandom or bunch of retro wannabes.

There's this ridiculous idea that game, as a whole, should only adhere to one particular Style. There is this nebulous, ambiguous idea, floating around the fandom, of what it should be.

[Edge7]

I've already remade VII countless times (rescripting and I've also been working on a retelling from the perspective of real-life individuals in the World War II era... I'm not a computer programmer, so I can't do anything people want to look at... Edge7 told me he'd take on the task of reading through my re-script and I haven't heard from him since)...

Sorry about that, I've been moving a bit recently. Trying to get situated.
In fact, I'm pretty sure this thread was my first in a couple weeks.

Crisis Core is a good game. However, it expands on things that aren't necessary to the plot.

I second that statement. Project Gillian was basically Square Enix's excuse to add more One Winged Angels to the franchise, despite Angeal and Genesis lacking the symbolism behind Safer Sephiroth.

[Depression Moon]

Never heard people really say the things you say about IX, usually I just don't hear the game mentioned. I have to heavily disagree on KH3. I can't even play any of the games that they have the spinoffs on, so I've got nothing. They need to make more good trout for consoles in general.

[Hollycat]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:

The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

... i agree on 3 of them. One of them was a definite improvement.

Crisis Core is a good game. However, it expands on things that aren't necessary to the plot.

As does 7.

[Laddy]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:

The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

... i agree on 3 of them. One of them was a definite improvement.

Crisis Core is a good game. However, it expands on things that aren't necessary to the plot.

As does 7.

:/ The plot of Final Fantasy VII, while sometimes confusing, is completely fine the way it is. The entire Compilation introduced totally unnecessary characters and subplots, not to mention completely changing the focus from Cloud to relatively minor characters like Zack (who, to me, was always supposed to be ambiguous and by actually delving that deep into his story causes him and his co-stars to completely eclipse the main cast in terms of development), and Vincent (who is totally and easily skippable in the main plot).

In the Compilation, Cloud is basically a wuss in both the prequels and sequels. Which, to me, completely removes the character's dignity. We know Cloud is a phony whether he realizes it or not, so to actually show him being that weak completely destroys any subtlety the character had and plays a huge part in the backlash the character has received in recent years.

The Compilation is an attempt to tie up any loose ends. However, it falls into the all-too-common mistake in fiction: expanding on every detail in the plot regardless if it's necessary or not. Franchises that make this mistake just create more plot holes, destroys any subtlety or mystery in the story, and ultimately take the focus off of the better material that created the legacy that paved the way for the spin-offs in the first place.

It's like the Star Wars pre-trilogy. We know Darth Vader was a good guy gone bad. They even touch on it. However, then The Phantom Menace came out, it gave us details we didn't want (like Anakin being a whiny tit), which destroys the credibility and intimidating nature of the character. No wonder the pre-trilogy is oftentimes mentioned more than the originals.

Also, according to the Compliation, Aerith was a co-dependent waif despite making the biggest sacrifice in the story AND threatening to remove a man's testicles.

My opinion is unpopular, but I passionately feel that the Compilation kind of ruined the original.