Final Fan Frustrations

[Edge7]

In the Compilation, Cloud is basically a wuss in both the prequels and sequels. Which, to me, completely removes the character's dignity. We know Cloud is a phony whether he realizes it or not, so to actually show him being that weak completely destroys any subtlety the character had and plays a huge part in the backlash the character has received in recent years.

I would agree with you, but I feel like Crisis Core doesn't focus on him enough that it weakens the character as he is in 7 (maybe with the exception of the "living legacy" bit, ymmv). In fact it just affirms what we knew by the end of FFVII. Every other incarnation of Cloud however (excluding DoC, we don't see enough of him in that game) has characterized him as over repentant which I think completely contrasts the Cloud introduced in 97.

[Hollycat]

I will agree on everything except CC. Including advent children.

[milliegoesbeep]

When people say "FFVIII was really bad, it had no story".

No, you're most probably too stupid to realise the story. I know it's a back seater when it comes to people's favourites but it is mine. It was a great game, good length and good story. Personally if any game deserves a remake it's VIII.

[Jessweeee♪]

FFVIII has the funnest theories to think about while you're playing!

[VeloZer0]

Anyone who says any of the FF games had no story is reaching a bit. A stupid/shallow/uninteresting story could be a valid complaint, but hyperbole doesn't exactly lend credibility to an argument.

[Cloudane]

"FFVII was actually crap, it's just you being nostalgic because it was your first FF"

No. Don't tell me why I like something.

[Mercen-X]

My first FF was technically II/IV (I hate the US/Japan relation for not having imported II&III and the f-ing useless US branch of Squaresoft for naming IV II in the US just to safe face, f-ing hell how am I supposed to number it correctly when referring back to it?)... anyway. Because VII was the first FF I finished, some may say that is the first FF I genuinely played and therefore that is the reason I fave it. Fact is that the earlier games may have had decent stories, but I could never get past the gameplay. I mean, I once played games like Mega Man, Double Dragon, and Metroid, but I never got far.
Suffice to say, I was able to better enjoy the full story of the PlayStation gen games because the system didn't get in the way.

[ReloadPsi]

Ditto on the VII and IX points.

Things people say that I hate:

The Final Fantasy VII spin-offs improved the storyline of the first.

... i agree on 3 of them. One of them was a definite improvement.

Crisis Core is a good game. However, it expands on things that aren't necessary to the plot.

For me it decanonised one of the most chilling scenes in the game. Sephiroth's self-realisation becomes someone showing up and telling him, and the impact of his nervous breakdown, for me, is lost. I think this was the point I decided to pretend the entire compilation didn't exist and was non-canon.

I hate people telling me I liked X, when I know perfectly well I didn't. I played through it to shut up people who accused me of not giving it a chance and who claimed I had no right to criticise it, so I played it to death while I was depressed and unemployed, and had nothing else to play at the time. That last part didn't help matters anyway, but yeah, I don't like X. Stop claiming I do.

Also people bashing Edward from FF4 (he was useful; you just didn't know how to play it) people bashing FF3's scholar, people who rag on turn-based combat in general.

[Mercen-X]

For me it decanonised one of the most chilling scenes in the game. Sephiroth's self-realisation becomes someone showing up and telling him, and the impact of his nervous breakdown, for me, is lost.

When I originally watched the scene of Cloud asking Sephiroth if he was different, I thought the mood jumped a bit quick and that Sephiroth concluded too quickly that he was some kind of monster. Sephiroth is the battle-hardened arrogant warrior archetype. A kid's naive question wouldn't be enough to push him over the edge.

Slightly off-topic now... I know what you'll f-ing say too. You have to imagine for yourself the amount of stress and whatnot Sephiroth has endured over the years, obviously this wasn't his first encounter with questions about his identity yadayada, shaddap. If there's room for my head to imagine random thoughts and theories, there's room for the game itself to answer otherwise unanswered questions.

Media: That's the difference between movies/video games and a novel. A novel is a work of art intended to make you think and it begs you to solve the plot before the author reveals it and then you're left wondering on certain other questions that weren't addressed in the book. But in a movie, we expect to be amused on the drama, the comedy, the action; the same for a game but with the added bonus of being more or less in control of the plot's pace.

So, if YOU'RE the TYPE who needs those mysteries to remain mysteries, then by all means AVOID playing video games or watching movies, at least until you've read the reviews and in such a way determined the story lives up to your elite standards.

[VeloZer0]

Why do video games have to have stories written like movies and not like books?

there's room for the game itself to answer otherwise unanswered questions.

Sometimes leaving a question unanswered for fans to think about will benefit a story more than whatever actual answer the writer can come up with.

[VeloZer0]

Why do video games have to have stories written like movies and not like books?

there's room for the game itself to answer otherwise unanswered questions.

Sometimes leaving a question unanswered for fans to think about will benefit a story more than whatever actual answer the writer can come up with.

I find it annoying that right now SE seems to only be able to spell things out word for word or just forget about them and leave it as a plothole. It is ok to leave some mystery in a story, as long as it is done purposefully.

[Mercen-X]

Well, I'm sure you'd be happier if more of the theories you developed while the mysteries still existed were made canon.

[VeloZer0]

I think you are missing the point that in some situations the speculation is the interesting aspect, and that any answer will most likely fail to live up to that.

[ReloadPsi]

You need only look to Metal Gear Solid 4's constant deus ex nanomachina ass-pulling to see why having an "official" explanation for everything isn't a good thing. That game is a prime example of the creator obviously throwing up his arms and going "fine, the reason is [[crap twist]] are you happy now?"

[Edge7]

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