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    Boco Lightsaber Keyblades anyone?

    So, I heard Disney purchased Lucasfilms. When I first heard the news, I pictured the trailer for a new Kingdom Hearts game. Orchestral Simple and Clean was playing and one of the video shots was Sora clashing his Keyblade with Darth Vader's Lightsaber. Oh, and Princess Leia will TOTALLY be the next Disney princess. I just got shivers, not even lying.

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    I would normally say that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I actually kind of enjoy it.

    Disney purchasing Marvel has not seen an injection of Iron Man into the Kingdom Hearts universe; I would be surprised to see the Lucasfilms acquisition be any different.

    Also, live action additions to Kingdom Hearts have been (in my not so humble opinion) the most tonally dissonant and awkward worlds in the series. Space Paranoids in Kingdom Hearts 2 was stylized enough that it was fine, but the Pirates of the Caribbean adaptation was consistently cringe-worthy and clashed artistically. The Grid from Tron: Legacy was little better in KH3D; while the world was cool enough to stand on its own from an art direction standpoint, as soon as I saw the in-game model of the Flynns, CLU, or Quorra, I wanted to vomit.

    They could arguably incorporate the art style of the Clone Wars animated series into Kingdom Hearts, but really I just rather that they didn't.

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    The approach Disney took with Marvel was very... adult. The approach Disney takes with Star Wars willy probably determine this one as well. I'd probably prefer Disney to leave my Star Wars alone as much as possible.

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    I know how you feel. Why did they have to struggle so hard to make those characters true to their film counterparts? Okay, I get it. The only medium through which those stories have been told up to now is in live-action. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have taken some tonal liberties with the in-game designs. Just because it looks like a cartoon doesn't mean you're going to have to change the tone of the story.

    If they were to push a Star Wars world on us, I'd want there to be some kind of time flux (like the Timeless River in 2), where you could see an original story play out between both Star Wars eras. You could have Anakin team up with Luke against Vader until he learns that he is Vader. Imagine seeing both Mickey and Yoda bouncing around a level together like a couple of squirrels chasing a nut. Personally, I think the worst thing to happen to Star Wars was young Anakin... and Binx. But the best thing to happen to Star Wars were Darth Maul and Grievous.

    I've got it. Sora's group observes from the outside as the Trade Federation invades Naboo and Obi-Wan Kenobi defeats Darth Maul, then interference by the Heartless causes time to distort so that fragments from the future are brought into this reality. Sora and the others venture in to stop this and battle alongside Luke and Anakin (respectively, you're never allowed to replace both Donald and Goofy... Disney bastards), against the Fetts and Vader and Grievous and Dooku. Naturally, as I said, we would have to include a moment where the two worlds really collide and Anakin and Luke meet and battle together against Vader and the Emperor. Despite learning that he will become Vader, Anakin would help to defeat him. Sora would convince Anakin to return to his own timeline so his group can straighten out this mess. Together, he and Luke would "defeat" the Heartless-infused Emperor and Vader would throw him to his death. Yay.

    Naturally, with the timelines now stabilized, player's no longer get to have Anakin in their party but there's really no loss as Anakin and Luke basically fight the same.

    In the Battle Arena, you can face not only Vader, but an alternate form where he looks like Anakin, there's also Grievous and a Darth Maul with mechanical legs. Just like Grievous' arms split into four so too do Maul's legs so he can crush an opponent under him after jumping. Yup. That's how it is.

    Oh, yeah, and Sora would obtain Starkiller keychain.
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    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

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    If Demolition Man were remade today

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    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
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    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    I think it MIGHT be an okay idea, if the do it right. It'd be hard to pull off, but it could happen. Also, I've heard Disney is gonna use Star Wars to expand some of their own original stuff. Buzz Lightyear being one of them. This probably isn't good at all, but who knows? Disney might just suckerpunch me in the face with an awesome, funny crossover. I doubt it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercen-X View Post
    I know how you feel. Why did they have to struggle so hard to make those characters true to their film counterparts? Okay, I get it. The only medium through which those stories have been told up to now is in live-action. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have taken some tonal liberties with the in-game designs. Just because it looks like a cartoon doesn't mean you're going to have to change the tone of the story.

    If they were to push a Star Wars world on us, I'd want there to be some kind of time flux (like the Timeless River in 2), where you could see an original story play out between both Star Wars eras. You could have Anakin team up with Luke against Vader until he learns that he is Vader. Imagine seeing both Mickey and Yoda bouncing around a level together like a couple of squirrels chasing a nut. Personally, I think the worst thing to happen to Star Wars was young Anakin... and Binx. But the best thing to happen to Star Wars were Darth Maul and Grievous.

    I've got it. Sora's group observes from the outside as the Trade Federation invades Naboo and Obi-Wan Kenobi defeats Darth Maul, then interference by the Heartless causes time to distort so that fragments from the future are brought into this reality. Sora and the others venture in to stop this and battle alongside Luke and Anakin (respectively, you're never allowed to replace both Donald and Goofy... Disney bastards), against the Fetts and Vader and Grievous and Dooku. Naturally, as I said, we would have to include a moment where the two worlds really collide and Anakin and Luke meet and battle together against Vader and the Emperor. Despite learning that he will become Vader, Anakin would help to defeat him. Sora would convince Anakin to return to his own timeline so his group can straighten out this mess. Together, he and Luke would "defeat" the Heartless-infused Emperor and Vader would throw him to his death. Yay.

    Naturally, with the timelines now stabilized, player's no longer get to have Anakin in their party but there's really no loss as Anakin and Luke basically fight the same.

    In the Battle Arena, you can face not only Vader, but an alternate form where he looks like Anakin, there's also Grievous and a Darth Maul with mechanical legs. Just like Grievous' arms split into four so too do Maul's legs so he can crush an opponent under him after jumping. Yup. That's how it is.

    Oh, yeah, and Sora would obtain Starkiller keychain.

    I've never actually seen Star Wars, though that idea is like music to my ears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch! View Post
    I would normally say that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I actually kind of enjoy it.

    Disney purchasing Marvel has not seen an injection of Iron Man into the Kingdom Hearts universe; I would be surprised to see the Lucasfilms acquisition be any different.
    Star Wars is already a part of the Disney family. I mean Star Tours is one of Disneyland's most popular attractions. Marvel doesn't come close to the kind of kinship that Disney and Star Wars already has, so I don't see why Kingdom Hearts with Star Wars wouldn't be a great match.

    I mean, Jedi Mickey has existed for years.

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    Fixed.

    Naturally, the Trade Federation and the Galactic Empire would be replaced altogether by the Heartless. In this case, the Heartless would invade Naboo with Darth Maul. In this way, I don't know how their interference would still cause a time flux. I guess that because Sora's main objective is to stop the Heartless, they would try to stop the invasion of Naboo and it would actually be Sora's interference that haphazardly results in the merged timeline. It would certainly help to explain this if Square licensed Ultimecia to appear at this world although to date, they've only ever included one FF villain in the games (Sephiroth).
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    The transition from Jedi to keyblade master is pretty easy. Hell they pretty much are the Jedi of the KH universe.

    I could see a Star Wars world in a KH game much more than a Marvel world. The problem with Marvel is that all the different heroes have their own thing going on. I could definitely see a Mos Eisley world or more likely a *shudder* Endor world heavily involving the two iconic Star Wars droids.

    Darth Vader is trying to steal the Ewoks' hearts and with the help of 3PO, R2, and Chewbacca (I wish), Sora & co. save the day. Doesn't require a single 'live action' human to work.

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    Lego Star Wars worked. I don't see why a more cartoony Star Wars world in KH wouldn't go alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miriel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch! View Post
    I would normally say that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I actually kind of enjoy it.

    Disney purchasing Marvel has not seen an injection of Iron Man into the Kingdom Hearts universe; I would be surprised to see the Lucasfilms acquisition be any different.
    Star Wars is already a part of the Disney family. I mean Star Tours is one of Disneyland's most popular attractions. Marvel doesn't come close to the kind of kinship that Disney and Star Wars already has, so I don't see why Kingdom Hearts with Star Wars wouldn't be a great match.

    I mean, Jedi Mickey has existed for years.
    I hardly see how that's relevant. Sure, Lucas and Disney have had a mutually profitable business arrangement for a long time (except for that one time when he approached Disney about making the movie in the first place and his proposal got shot down), but that does not mean that suddenly we're going to see Star Wars in Kingdom Hearts.

    Disney owns numerous properties, but we haven't seen a huge influx of all that material. Instead, it took us until KH3D--the seventh major installment in the series!--to get a substantial bunch of new worlds.

    I think the best way I could possibly put this is that Disney has owned Pixar outright for six years. Several Kingdom Hearts games have been made and released in those past six years. If we haven't seen a Toy Story or Monsters Inc. world yet, why is anyone even entertaining the idea that suddenly they're going to get Star Wars in the mix as if it's even remotely likely?

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    How about this. When Endor world pops up in KH3 you can eat your big red chapeau?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch! View Post
    I hardly see how that's relevant. Sure, Lucas and Disney have had a mutually profitable business arrangement for a long time (except for that one time when he approached Disney about making the movie in the first place and his proposal got shot down), but that does not mean that suddenly we're going to see Star Wars in Kingdom Hearts.

    Disney owns numerous properties, but we haven't seen a huge influx of all that material. Instead, it took us until KH3D--the seventh major installment in the series!--to get a substantial bunch of new worlds.

    I think the best way I could possibly put this is that Disney has owned Pixar outright for six years. Several Kingdom Hearts games have been made and released in those past six years. If we haven't seen a Toy Story or Monsters Inc. world yet, why is anyone even entertaining the idea that suddenly they're going to get Star Wars in the mix as if it's even remotely likely?
    I think you're being delusional if you think that Star Wars in Kingdom hears is not even "remotely likely". It might not happen, sure. But it's obviously possible. How likely was it that Disney would even buy LuscaFilms? How many people anticipated THAT, despite the relationship the two companies shared?

    And the relevance is that there's already been crossover between Disney and Star Wars, aka, Jedi Mickey. There is no such Buzz Mickey Lightyear or anything like that. Pixar worlds have always been really separate. Although it would be really cool to see a Monster's Inc world.

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    It is possible that Star Wars will appear in a future Kingdom Hearts title; that does not make it likely. Right now, there's no good reason to act like this is going to happen. I don't care to validate possibilities unless there's something that makes them probabilities. At this point, it's still nothing more than fanboy wishing.

    On the other hand, Pixar in Kingdom Hearts is significantly more likely than Star Wars in Kingdom Hearts. In the Kingdom Hearts 3D Ultimania, an interview with Nomura was published in which he was asked which new Disney worlds he would like to see in Kingdom Hearts. His response was that he really, really wants Pixar worlds in the game and that he's working on ideas for it already. Also, Pixar and Disney characters are already set to meet in a new game currently titled Disney's "Toy Box." Not much news about that yet, but that's another step in the direction of Pixar in Kingdom Hearts.

    And Del, you've got a bet. If a Star Wars world is in Kingdom Hearts 3, I will eat my chapeau. However that would work.

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    Ouch!ie, man, part of the fun of fictional works is to conjecture on ideas that would ROCK the mixture. I don't honestly believe Star Wars would become part of the KH universe before the KH franchise ends... Marvel either. But it's still fun to wonder how it would work. While it's true, we could do this with literally ANYTHING, only the titles owned by Disney (or even Square Enix) fall within the realm of relatively realistic expectation.

    As for the Star Wars world, I quote Barf on Spaceballs "praying to God!" Also praying that god forbid the planet be Endor. I am murderous toward those useless little bears... and no, Barney Stinson's theory is wrong. I had a few teddy bears growing up, but the ugly rabid little savages on Star Wars certainly didn't remind me of them. I would rather the planet be Kashyyyk if we needed a planet of furries. The most logical choice is a combo of Coruscant and the Death Star a la Olympus and the Underworld.

    Marvel also can be as relevant to the franchise as Final Fantasy. Originally, all of the FF characters were introduced randomly and even in 2 and BBS it seems to suggest that not all FF characters originate from Radiant Garden. So it leaves open the possibility that Marvel characters could play just as random a role in the story as the FF characters. We just have to decide which ones would best fit the tone of the game. As unknown as he may be, 3-D Man seems to fit the story-writing process of KH. Perhaps Nick Fury, Doctor Strange, Beta Ray Bill, Black Panther, Shen Kuei (maybe?), Dazzler, Fin Fang Foom (as a villain of course), Howard the Duck (imagine his conversations with Donald), Rocket Raccoon, Iron Fist, Joseph (Magneto's clone), Jubilee, Shadowcat, Magik, Armor, Multiple Man (villain), Namor, Nightcrawler, The Asgardians, Justin Hammer, Prowler, Puck, Rhino, the Rose, Sabretooth, Sasquatch, really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking., Scarlet Spider (yes, his outfit looks ridiculous but it's better than the real Spider-Man) though I'd rather see Spider-Man Noir, She-Hulk, Sif... I'm getting tired now.
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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