Anniversary Mafia Game Thread - The Final Day

[[M] Dave – Stepdad]

Yup, sorry, it almost made sense to me.

[[M] D'Anna]

I'm going to try and make sense of all the kills now.

Night 1
Laguna - Serah was targeted by Yuffie for a kill, but Laguna was killed. Since it was Night 1 Laguna likely protected himself. The probable scenario is that the Bus Driver swapped Laguna and Serah, Serah got protection while Laguna got the bullet. That also explains why Serah never got a 'report' from Wedge.
I'm going to assume the mafia has two kills, the poison and a night kill. Or there are two mafias. Or mafia and SK. The other deaths don't make sense otherwise. On this night, one killer tried to shoot Nocits while Galuf poisoned Quistis.

Night 2
Quistis - Died of Galuf's poison
Serah - No clue. Standard mafia hit?
Kain - Again no clue.
Quina - Too many unexplained deaths this day for there to not be at least two killers out there.

Night 3
Galuf - This one is the hardest of all to explain. We have a vig (standard vig and daytime vig? seriously?) or something else is afoot. It's not a Paranoid Gun Owner, since we know he targeted Cid (assuming Faris is truthful). Rydia targeted Cid on Night 4 and lived to tell the tale.
How did one scum die this night and no town? So the mafia used their hit to poison Cid. Fine. But this night is sandwiched between nights with 4 and 3 deaths. Doesn't make any sense! Someone must have tried for Noctis again but why would the mafia try the same thing twice?

Night 4
Noctis - My guess here is Mafia Ninja. There are no Mafia Goons remember, so Ninja is a likely role they have.
Yuffie - I think the "second killer" killed Yuffie.
Refia - ?????

[[M] D'Anna]

Going on the theory that there is a SK or Vig out there, then that explains Galuf, Yuffie, and one of the Night 2 deaths. But it doesn't explain the 4th death on Night 2 or what happened to that Spy Refia.

And it doesn't really help much going forward.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

If Cid was a PGO, I'd also have died night one, since I tried to protect him then as well.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Could there be Masons with a killing role?

[[M] D'Anna]

Too many people in this game who are semi-active but staying out of the main discussions. Looking at you, Leon, Setzer, Relm. Penelo. At least one of you is scum. Fess up!

And get Psychotic to replace smurfing Rikku already.

[[M] D'Anna]

Could there be Masons with a killing role?

Shoot, that would be a powerful town faction. Maybe too powerful. A town-killer could have killed Galuf for sure, and possibly Kain, but who on Night 3? Refia? That still leaves 1 unexplained.

[[M] Mike - Funny Dad]

Too many people in this game who are semi-active but staying out of the main discussions. Looking at you, Leon, Setzer, Relm. Penelo. At least one of you is scum. Fess up!

I already told you which one. 32 times.

[[M] Apollo]

Too many people in this game who are semi-active but staying out of the main discussions. Looking at you, Leon, Setzer, Relm. Penelo. At least one of you is scum. Fess up!

And get Psychotic to replace smurfing Rikku already.

Sorry, my mind is just rather out of it, but I'm reading through for something that stands out which hasn't already been brought up. I know it sounds slack, but I'm trying to make sense of all of this.

At the moment I'm still uncomfortable with the lack of Rikku and Luneth (why did you bring up Rikku and not Luneth?), but that's not going on much.

If there's anyone online I'm up for questions/discussion, so please ask me questions/my opinion on any events. In the mean time I'll read through to find more.

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

I post when I can, and try to make the best posts I can with the information I have at those times. I am free to post lots today, but I get the feeling I will be the only one awake for a good few hours.

the "One down ??? to go" copypasta

Sure thing, boss. There is no way for me to defend against using a common term. xD I got nothing.

the alarm he exhibited at my statement about Galuf's role.

When Galuf's role came up as Poisoner, I went to check out what it was on the mafia wiki - hadn't seen it in use before, curious about what exactly it did. When you had more information than what was readily available, it either meant that Galuf told you the details his role, or you were the Apothecary. The latter of which I am willing to believe is the case.

Obligatory "whatchu talkin' 'bout?" done. On to further business.

I wish we knew more about what the spy's role was in this particular game. Seems that the role can vary from game to game. Does she know who the mafia are? I am trying to see if I can pick up anything from Refia's posts - especially her most recent list of suspects. However, her list is a bit bizarre.

[M] Leon - Pops in, says a fair bit, and vanishes. I don't get too much scum vibes from him though.

[M] Setzer - Pops in, then out, does 1 or 2 semi long posts in a day then vanishses again. I get a scum vibe from him though, like he's trying to fly under the radar.

[M] Luneth - I don't have much of an opinion on him for similar reasons to Leila.

[M] Rikku - Basically non-existent. But I get scum vibes off her complete lack of showing up.

[M] Penelo - A little dubious of her, but I don't get scum vibes at all.

Two examples of people doing the exact same thing, yet one of them is scum and the other is not. Especially when it comes to the inactives - Rikku has posted more than Luneth, yet is

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

Whoops. Accidentally posted. ._. I will continue my thoughts.

[[M] Apollo]

I have the same thing highlighted about Refia in the post I was about to post just now. I thought the inconsistency was a bit odd. Initially I put it down to either buddying up to certain members (obvious naive townies), or that she just got different vibes from different people. If only her alignment were a little clearer...

Anyway, big post coming

[[M] Apollo]

Here, have a useful tally...

[M] Wedge (3) - Penelo, Faris, SELFVOTE
[M] Leila (2) - Balthier, SELFVOTE
[M] Relm (2) - Biggs, SELFVOTE
[M] Setzer (2) - Rydia, Penelo, SELFVOTE
[M] Penelo (1) - Wakka
[M] Wakka (0) - Biggs


So personally I'd like to, again, point out the lack of replacement of many members, despite having many eligible dead townies (Del can't be the replacement every time...), but everyone is now keen on targeting actives, what's the deal? I'd vote for Luneth again (or Cid, or Rikku), but that didn't make anything happen last time, so why bother?

So. Let's look at Wedge and Faris, our two revealers. I've found Faris to be a little off the whole time. Nothing overly specific, just bad vibes, but that's nothing to lynch on. Her constant trumpeting that she saved Cid is a little concerning though.

Well that was something else!

I'm glad to see Cid managed to make it through last night.

Wedge and I should have been gone, but it seems that either one or both of us could be scum. But first, let's take a look at our roles, I happen to be a Tracker, and Wedge has some sort of investigative powers but doesn't know his results, only the people he sends the report to. The mafia would have targeted Wedge the moment on the night following the moment he revealed his role... maybe it was convenient that he stuck around to distract town with false hopes allowing mafia to get what they want. What about me? All I know is who a person targeted, and nothing else, and I did help save Cid from dying when I revealed that he was Galuf's last target. I think the choice is clear between Wedge and myself.

##Vote: Wedge

I want to suggest that it's possible that we may have a 2nd doctor who could heal the poisoned, so we may have just saved Cid from dying by poison if it weren't for me.

Leila's claim is a little hard to believe. I'm either not sure if she knows whether she's insane or paranoid, especially hard to take that all her results were either guilty or not available. I do however believe Rydia, because based by what she's saying, she saved Cid last night from the poisoning by Galuf on the night I last tracked him.

Either she's real proud of that and is reaffirming her usefulness to town. Or is scum reaffirming her usefulness to town.
Again, it's not much, but it really irked me. Ok you saved Cid, but hey, maybe you took the attention off Noctis or someone else who did get the poison. Do we actually have any proof that Cid was targetted? (where is Cid anyway?)


As for Wedge, I really don't know. The guy has had too many chances and has been wayyy too 'unlucky', but this is a mindsmurf, so anything is possible. His aggressiveness towards Serah on the second day was either really ballsy, or a legitimate belief. If it is a charade, he's done a good job of fooling us all for so long, but it just seems insanely risky to do such a thing. If he is town, it is such a potentially useful role, which has really gone to waste :/
Given the size of the pool, you'd expect there to be an investigative role like this, but is there another, and this is the bluff? Gah, I don't know...

[[M] Apollo]

Feel free to continue your thoughts

[[M] Al - Biker Dad]

...Yet Luneth is given the all clear? Same with Penelo - she and Rikku only posted on day 1, but Penelo is fine for some reason. I just wish we knew what Refia knew - the fact that she was entirely convinced that Blank was town (not even slightly suspicious despite the many things that had popped up on Day 4) makes me think she knew something about the mafia. I dunno. I feel that there could be something in her list, but I also feel like I'm grasping at something that's not quite there.
I understand the idea of different vibes - for example between Leon and I you'd be able to get different feelings due to our different posting styles. However, three inactives with one of them scum and the other two not, despite nothing being posted? I just don't get it. I feel that there is some defence going on or something. Anyone else got any thoughts on this?


Yuffie was jumped on by Relm at some point yesterday, for what she said on Day 2 regarding voting. This was after Biggs had made some comments about Yuffie's defence of Galuf. Perhaps a little bit of piggy-backing off another claim to try and get attention off the Godfather? Refia also followed suit - but again without more knowledge of her role it's difficult to tell if this even means anything.

Wedge: seriously? Again? Insane bad luck. But the entire thing is shifty. As has been pointed out, it is surprising you have not been taken out by the mafia yet - maybe they're getting too much of a laugh out of your failed attempts to do anything, or this was all just an elaborate ruse. At this point I'm not even sure if I'm entirely convinced you're scum, and am just instead exasperated at your consistent lack of results.

I am inclined to believe Faris' roleclaim at this point, and with that Rydia's. Cid however, does not get off so easy. Perhaps he was the SK/Vig, and we have just saved him? Who can say? I have no basis for this claim, by the by, I just don't think we should write out Cid as a suspect just because he was targeted by the mafia.

Wakka. Can't even get the remotest grip on this guy, so many posts, so little... anything. It's pretty scummy, but there's always someone who I feel is more scummy. Guess this is the definition of "under the radar".

Leila's claim. I am unsure about it, but I don't know why a mafia would claim to be a cop who seemingly only gets guilty results.

Penelo has been interesting today.

Hell, I've been more productive than (Wedge) has and I didn't even turn up due to important educational stuff.

Uh huh. Wedge, who has posted every day - despite not having anything of value for us due to his perhaps unfortunate circumstances, has been less productive than someone who spammed up in Day 1 then never came back. It is obviously an attempt to make sure we all know she is taking part and is a good town because of this.Possible rookie player trying too hard? I don't feel that it sways her to either town or scum, because there is so little to go on.

I think this is all I've got for now. =/ I will read through one more time and post again if something pops up, along with a provisional(?) vote.