Quote Originally Posted by Bolivar View Post
Wolf, you're writing pages of text and going out of your way to deny that someone who saves war orphans and pays for people's tuition may be sympathetic to a few people. If you don't think the original Metal Gear Solid attempted to move Big Boss away from the two-dimensional villain he was portrayed as in the original Metal Gear games then I just have to laugh and walk away shaking my head.
Wolf wasn't arguing that at all Bolivar. He outright acknowledged that some of the characters were helped/looked up to Big Boss. But he's arguing that even in the original MGS he was not portrayed as a good guy. A more complex character than in the original Metal Gear titles to be sure, but not someone who was a misunderstood hero by an stretch of the imagination. I mean, his plan was pretty terrible and acknowledged as such by most of people in that game that weren't psychopaths or hell bent on revenge for Snake killing him. That some people agreed with him or that he was considered a legendary soldier for his skill on the battlefield does not mean they were building him up as a full on good guy, which is all Wolf has been arguing.

Now, I haven't played Portable Ops or Peace Walker yet so there's not much more I can say about the character. But I do think that if they went out of their way to build him up as even more of a hero rather than showing his descent into the villain he actually became, then I'm not sure if that's something that would sit well with me. I'm not saying he should be painted as a sort of cackling madman of a villain who's obviously on the black side of a black and white dichotomy or anything, but he's pretty far into the grey by the time Snake kills him.