streme Wheelie
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Shadow Sephiroth
If the real Sephiroth is in the Northern Cave, and it is actually Jenova that we see around the world, what in the actual smurf are these projections? Are they in Cloud's head, or is a true "flashback" or what? I have never understood this. It's almost as spastic as the same warped crap with Rinoa in Final Fantasy VIII. I think SE just really liked this effect.
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Well, it looks like the others see it as well, so I assume they're real.
Maybe Shera put something in their tea.
Originally Posted by Fynn
Sit your ass down in that chair and drink your goddamn TEA!
One of the main characteristics of Jenova is its ability to adjust its appearance based on others' memories.
Or do you mean just with this scene, when Sephiroth is doubled and transparent?
streme Wheelie
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Just with this scene! It's perplexing.
Hmm. I always thought it was more of an atmospheric effect than a literal appearance. It's just a little later that they use the same effect on Cloud to signify mind/body (or, mind/consciousness) dissonance. Perhaps in this case it's signifying Sephiroth's unhinged state of mind at this time as well, as he approaches discovering the secret of Meteor.
Though now that I think about it, perhaps it's not just a symbol, but rather an actual spectral representation one's consciousness being out of sync with, or displaced from, the body. A more-extreme example, then, would be the scene where Cloud gives the black materia to Sephiroth for the first time, and Little Cloud has been completely blocked out. Or even when Cloud's consciousness is shown thrusting itself outward for the final Sephiroth battle.
I would believe these are true out-of-body experiences, but what do you think? Is the consciousness or soul really traveling away from the body, or is this a symbol in itself?
Edit: I had intended to mention that, of course, the spectres would only be visible to the player, not to any of the characters... with the exception of Tifa during the Lifestream sequence.
Last edited by silentenigma; 10-28-2012 at 06:55 PM.
Senovroth throughout the game chooses to isolate its appearance to be based solely on Cloud's memories of Sephiroth as he was the very last person to see him before the supersoldier plummeted toward "certain" doom at the bottom of that reactor. The scene in the Temple is the first time that Jephiroth loses focus due to being so close to the Black Materia.
Jack: How do you know?
Will: It's more of a feeling really.
Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?
Will: No.
If Demolition Man were remade today
Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
Huxley: NO!
Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
Huxley: You need to leave, John.
Spartan: But Huxley.
Huxley: Get out!
Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.
By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.
Both is true. It is Sephiroth and it is not Sephiroth.
Generally it is Sephiroth since it is his will who wanders around inside that body and you hear his words after he has activated the reunion. When it comes to the body however, it is just JENOVA's body formed to a replica of Sephiroth's.
The Sephiroth body you see is a newly formed body. He is not really transparet or anything, those are effects to show his supernatural powers of being able to teleport, to appear like some ghost, even though he is not really a ghost - the "Shadow" you have called him is very accurate, actually since it is always like you follow his shadow.
Sephiroth explains it. It is one of his and JENOVA's abilities. They can form JENOVA cells to change their appearance. And that is what was important for Sephiroth to appear as if he would run around with his original body. It is very close to what he did in Advent Children. He needs to know what a body looks like (and what he did forget about his own body in on the Way to a Smile) and can use JENOVA cells to change his appearance then. So through the memories of Cloud and the others in Advent Children he newly experienced what he looked like and then he was able to come back again with a newly formed body.
Maybe some people here think Sephiroth as you see him in Final Fantasy VII is just a product of his illusion ability but this is a seperate ability. Of course he wanted to run around with a "cloned" body of himself. And it has nothing to do with Cloud's memories when it comes to that. It is true Sephiroth holds a grudge against Cloud but during the time Sephiroth begins to run around he was in some "awakening"-state and did not even really remember Cloud. At least not at that time.
Sephiroth obviously used Double Team.
Ah, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that must be it.
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