What did your mum/parents do when you were escorted out? Where you banned from ever coming back? What happened with your gran?
What did your mum/parents do when you were escorted out? Where you banned from ever coming back? What happened with your gran?
Originally Posted by Fynn
streme Wheelie
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You seem under the impression that I was some manic lunatic. I raised my voice and swore a bit but I'm not aggressive. They escorted me out so I wouldn't be a disturbance and I guess as a preventative measure in case I did start being "dangerous", mum followed afterwards (like I already said!) and we left. I wasn't banned from coming back - can they even really do that? I mean I guess so, but I'm probably not willing to try my luck. I suppose it's one of those things where you've got a warning, don't smurf up again or we'll come down hard on you. Nothing "happened" with my grandma, I'm not really sure what the question is trying to gauge but we still talk and that. She was just in the hospital this past weekend which was a bit worrying, but everything seems okay now.
What part of the old folks' home were you in when this happened?
What I meant was, after raising your voice and insulting your gran, how did she react?
Why so angry, Dakoda?
streme Wheelie
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Why so angry? Because I was raised in a community of aboriginal people and I identify with them and am accepted as a member of that community. I understand that it's all well and good for people of privileged upbringings to say "you're lazy and alcoholics and no I don't want my tax money to try and bring you out of the third world" but I've seen it. My family lives it. There is that saying that you can't choose your family but I vehemently disagree. You can't choose who you are related to but your family are the people closest to you and you can choose them. I take it as personal offence whenever this sort of completely ignorant racism rocks up, and it was particularly pig-headed of my grandmother to spout that kind of stuff considering the fact she knows her daughter had worked in an Aboriginal Corporation for ~12 years and was deeply involved in trying to support the community and deal with tough issues like that. It pissed me off because here was a woman who was supposed to know better. I mean we didn't spend a lot of time together, it wasn't until she moved to that retirement home that she was sort of close enough for us to visit "regularly" but goddamn where is the empathy a Christian is supposed to demonstrate, even? Utter infuriating nonsense she was saying and it flicked a switch for me.
She's a pretty reserved kind of person I guess. I don't know quite how to explain it. I mean she was kind of shocked, I guess, and went quiet and I think was probably more offended that I started my tirade and was swearing than the fact I was actually disagreeing with her. I mean, she's conservative, that's the word I wanted. Yeah so she just went quiet and then the staff member came over and was like "yeah you need to leave now" and so I got up and followed her out.
The place is pretty nice, it's called Embracia (it's in Beerwah) and being in the Sunshine Coast hinterland there's a big natural focus so there's all these outdoor seating areas. So we were outside because it was a nice day and walked me out. The "lobby" I guess kind of splits off into wings and the main open area is in the middle so you walk straight up and into it through the doors. Pretty neat little set up all things considered.
No no, I meant, you seem like you're getting irked by the questions I'm asking. xD I fully understand why you'd be angry about the aboriginal thing?
What exactly did your gran say?
What did the other people around you do? Did anyone complain?
streme Wheelie
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Oh I'm not annoyed by your questions, a part from the fact I should've figured these sorts of questions would be a part of the experience. You can't just say a quirky fact and get people to guess off nothing but yeah it's one of those times where I'm a little mixed between that remnant anger and just sheer embarrassment over that kind of behaviour.
As for what "exactly" my grandma said, it might surprise you to know that I can't remember a conversation from 4ish years agoI only really remember the gist of things because in an equally comedic-tragic fashion it's almost a recurring conversation - or at least theme - whenever mum goes to see her. I don't understand, maybe she's going senile or something, but it's probably not good to rag on people like that grandma. She's getting better I suppose. But yeah, I can't say what she said apart from the general gist of indigenous people being lazy and demanding handouts and not trying to work for anything etc. That itself isn't an uncommon thing; look at your own country's attitude towards the poor esp. ethnics and minorities. *shrug*
People complained, I guess. I mean I didn't really pay attention. Probably wasn't a whole lot of people outside 'cause it was warmish and inside was air-conditioned so I guess "more comfortable" but w/e we wanted to sit out in the nice weather. It often smurfing rains on the Sunshine Coast. Anyway, the complaints were probably those kinds where you see some spectacle and turn to the person next to you and whisper something or whatever, but the staff member was straight over and out out out I went so there wasn't a whole lot of time to cause a scene.
What was the name of the staff member who escorted you out?
What day of the week was it?
Did you ever visit the retirement home again? How long after you were kicked out? Were any of the staff reluctant to let you back in?
Following this incident, what was the next conversation you had with your grandmother?
streme Wheelie
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I have no idea what her name was xD It was probably a Saturday seeing as I was in what, Year 11 and so had school during the week. God do you need the wind velocity as well? I probably have smurfing yoghurt and strawberries for breakfast because I could
Time after that would've been on her birthday or around it so early August (August 11th fyi) and I don't recall there being any sort of issue. The conversation largely revolved around "happy birthday" and I don't know maybe how things have been going. It was far less interesting a conversation, otherwise I'd remember it better - or at all
##Vote Bulltrout
Rantzums? Raistums?
I'm leaning towards lie as well. The one thing that makes me hesitate now is Jiro's responses to my questions, which ring genuine.
But I think the statement is something Bleys would write, and the rest of what Jiro has said makes me think it is a well-told lie.
I won't be online until tomorrow evening, only a couple of hours before questions close. I may have some more questions then.
Last questions of the night:
What time of day was it when you were kicked out?
What did you do afterwards?
Was anyone else with you at the time?
streme Wheelie
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It would've been around midday. It was prior to at least 3pm because I would've had to go home and get ready to ref that afternoon/evening so it couldn't have been too late. And I mean, like I said before, we got food on the way back so I was obviously hungry (although that doesn't say much 'cause I'm always hungry) and so that puts us around lunch time.
What did I do afterwards? Well I mean, I ate, then I went home and got ready to go ref whatever games were on. It was probably two lines for the 2nd and then 1st Div Men's considering the age I was.
Nobody else was with me, apart from mum of course. My dad doesn't even visit his smurfing family, and my brother is a self interested little trout a lot of the time, always has been, so he was probably at home or at a friend's place being a smurfing nuisance.
Deadline is still 19 hours, 53 minutes away by my count.
How awful of you, Jiro!
What comment of your grandmother's was it that made you flip?
Edit: Well there's a bunch of posts I managed not to read before. Gimme a sec.
Okay here are some other questions.
How did your mother react when you were thrown out? Did she follow you out or did she join you later?
What sort of obscenities did you yell out? How loud did you really get?
Last edited by Rantz; 12-18-2012 at 08:07 AM.
streme Wheelie
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She was a bit shamefaced as well. I mean, way to cause a scene. But it was more like "be quiet next time" because she basically agreed with me.I am very much her son in a lot of ways.
I don't remember what obscenities I yelled exactly. I don't know whether it's apparent in some of my ranting posts at EoFF, but when I get worked up I use quite unnecessarily "fancy" and "dramatic" words, I suppose you could say. So if I was to take a stab at the things I would've said, it would be things like "this utterly shameless ignorance does nothing but propagate the constant struggle that the indigenous people face every day and it's thanks to white supremacist bulltrout like this that the situation occurred in the first place" etc. I don't know, it's kind of hard to understand what my vocabulary was like because if anything, spending time with people like Citizen Bleys, The Man and Raistlin really teaches you how to bitch with finesse.
How were you sitting during your visit - around a table? On a bench? Some other way? Nice view?
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