Sephiroth appreciation thread. Yes really.

[Shusuika]

everybody needs a villain just as much everybody needs a hero.
And sephiroth was the introduced villain in the game to which we spent over two weeks to finish (at least i took more than two weeks :P). It's quite normal that we end up admiring the bad guy as much as we admire the good guy, because that's who you spend your entire time along the story.

Besides, the "cool" villains are usually quiet, calm and mysterious, to which you barely know anything about (unlike the hero that you get to know along your travelling), and that just makes you want to know more!! Like "OMG i'm so turned on right now, i mean, why did he turned bad????" kind of response :P
And if I remember correctly, "emo" was getting quite popular around, which could be another reason to make this character lovable...so...yeah XD (yes i consider sephy of an emo guy....)

nice thread by the way. Sephiroth needs sum luv and attention too!

[Mirage]

You may troll or dislike him if you want to. But then please be accurate with the information.

That's not how trolling works .

[Jinx]

You may troll or dislike him if you want to. But then please be accurate with the information.

Dude, it's called a smurfing joke. And the joke works, because Lucrecia was his mother....so, yeah.

[Sephex]

He did his job as a villain in FFVII, I liked him for what he was, and the mama's boy thing is exaggerated and a very weak argument against his character, "trolling" or not.

On the subject of disliking anything related to FFVII, or FFVII in general, it has gone way past the point of getting old. I understand that a game of this popularity is going to have some hype backlash, but the game's been out for so long there is really no point in beating a dead horse no matter which stance you take on the game.

I'll put it this way, I find that most times, especially on the internet, that people who complain about something popular are more annoying than the biggest fanboy of something (most of the time).

Oh hey, you don't like One Direction, Twilight, or Justin Bieber? Wow, it's almost like those things aren't marketed for you! You must be very unique in your dislike of such entertainment. Hey, you know what will really impress someone? If you go to a YouTube video to complain about it! Never mind the fact that simply increasing the view count on something gives it more exposure, and thus only serves to most likely increase the popularity of something you don't like!

Great going! 10/10!

[Skyblade]

Not even. Poor Lucrecia. Stuck in that cave. Does he ever visit her? NO HE DOES NOT.

Because he believes that mummy is really Jenova.

I have a strong urge to troll this thread now.

Who wuvs his mommy-wummy and failed to kill Cloud three times and got beaten by Cloud when he was just a nothing ? Awhh poor Sephy Wephy did.

Poor Sephy Wephy.

In a way Jenova is his mother (counting one of Lucrecia's lines in Final Fantasy VII it is actually even more than "in a way"). Plus he also found out in the lifestream that Jenova is no Cetra. The lifestream is a big pool of information. Sephiroth knows he has a human mother. That does not mean anything, however. He has more in common with Jenova than with Lucrecia. And I don't know what you mean with "just a nothing" because it is not appopriate for both him and Cloud. Sephiroth has his incredible will and Cloud has his Hero-I will become incredibly strong if I am angry-bonus.

You may troll or dislike him if you want to. But then please be accurate with the information. Otherwise you dislike a Sephiroth who does not "exist" like you describe him.

It is appropriate for Cloud. Cloud beat him when he was just a little Shinra mook. It was Cloud's demonstration of strength in beating Sephiroth that caught Hojo's attention. At that time, Cloud was a nobody.

[Sephiroth]

You may troll or dislike him if you want to. But then please be accurate with the information.

Dude, it's called a smurfing joke. And the joke works, because Lucrecia was his mother....so, yeah.

The joke does not work, not even a bit. Especially not "because Lucrecia was his mother". Both Lucrecia and JENOVA served the parental cells as well as Hojo's. Lucrecia stated that the JENOVA cells were inside of her, meaning they were in her womb even before Sephiroth existed and not really injected into his body. "But the Jenova inside me did not let me die ...". Jenova was in her body and so in Sephiroth's once Lucrecia's egg was fertilized and not just "injected through hers into Sephiroth's". The "inject cells in fetal state explanation" which was told later was just for easier storytelling (and which was also used for Angeal, e.g) and that people understand it easier. When it comes to official explanations, both are his mothers (or "mother" in case of Jenova; Sephiroth even knows already it is no human/Cetra and still calls her that since it is correct in more than just one way). One is human, the other one, not. Actually not even really female, but still a real parent since the cells were in Lucrecia's womb and Sephiroth was the result of the three fusing. That is what makes him really unique. I don't blame you for not nothing this (how ridiculous that sounds about a videogame) because many don't, especially with the easier explanation nowadays.

It is appropriate for Cloud.

I don't know how much of my post you meant to answer with this line. Please explain. What you said was right, but I don't know what of my post you mean with the appropriate-thing.

EDIT: Ah, you mean my own "appropriate"-part. Well, "just a nothing" is definitely not fitting for Cloud. His power is hidden. Just because he was a blue guard which was not too confident, he was not weak. He just needs the right moment to release that powe because Cloud only fights for what is precious to him. Not only in Advent Children. And as you say, his demonstration of power already showed that he is not a nothing, he was simply underestimated. I call it "nothing" if you have potential but don't use it and Cloud did.

[Skyblade]

It is appropriate for Cloud.

I don't know how much of my post you meant to answer with this line. Please explain. What you said was right, but I don't know what of my post you mean with the appropriate-thing.

EDIT: Ah, you mean my own "appropriate"-part. Well, "just a nothing" is definitely not fitting for Cloud. His power is hidden. Just because he was a blue guard which was not too confident, he was not weak. He just needs the right moment to release that powe because Cloud only fights for what is precious to him. Not only in Advent Children. And as you say, his demonstration of power already showed that he is not a nothing, he was simply underestimated. I call it "nothing" if you have potential but don't use it and Cloud did.

Socially, he's a nothing. He's just a random Shinra soldier. He's a faceless member of a corporate army consisting of thousands. And Sephiroth is their absolute creme-de-la-creme. And Sephiroth gets beaten by a complete nonentity. I think that's the point of teasing him about it.

It's like a chess grandmaster losing to a nine year old playing for the first time. Sure, that nine year old may be an absolute savant. It doesn't mean it wouldn't be embarrassing as heck.

[Sephiroth]

It is appropriate for Cloud.

I don't know how much of my post you meant to answer with this line. Please explain. What you said was right, but I don't know what of my post you mean with the appropriate-thing.

EDIT: Ah, you mean my own "appropriate"-part. Well, "just a nothing" is definitely not fitting for Cloud. His power is hidden. Just because he was a blue guard which was not too confident, he was not weak. He just needs the right moment to release that powe because Cloud only fights for what is precious to him. Not only in Advent Children. And as you say, his demonstration of power already showed that he is not a nothing, he was simply underestimated. I call it "nothing" if you have potential but don't use it and Cloud did.

Socially, he's a nothing. He's just a random Shinra soldier. He's a faceless member of a corporate army consisting of thousands. And Sephiroth is their absolute creme-de-la-creme. And Sephiroth gets beaten by a complete nonentity. I think that's the point of teasing him about it.

It's like a chess grandmaster losing to a nine year old playing for the first time. Sure, that nine year old may be an absolute savant. It doesn't mean it wouldn't be embarrassing as heck.

I don't think we were talking about his social position. You would be right about that, however.

[Jinx]

Sephiroth the member, stop being such a fan-boy. You say my joke doesn't work, and then you go on to say that Lucrecia is ONE of his mothers. Logic? None.

Dude, I don't care if she's his biological, birth, or surrogate mother. It's just a joke. Stop jizzing all over a video game character and get your panties out of a wad.

PS--The couple rep I received says that it was a somewhat clever joke that a couple people appreciated.

[Sephex]

Sephiroth the member, stop being such a fan-boy. You say my joke doesn't work, and then you go on to say that Lucrecia is ONE of his mothers. Logic? None.

Dude, I don't care if she's his biological, birth, or surrogate mother. It's just a joke. Stop jizzing all over a video game character and get your panties out of a wad.

PS--The couple rep I received says that it was a somewhat clever joke that a couple people appreciated.

You could say that rep in this case could be called Sephirep.

There, now I told a bad joke. People can get on my case now.

You're welcome, Tifa's Boobs. This is also a sentence I said a lot in High School. I won't say why.

[Sephiroth]

Sephiroth the member, stop being such a fan-boy. You say my joke doesn't work, and then you go on to say that Lucrecia is ONE of his mothers. Logic? None.

Dude, I don't care if she's his biological, birth, or surrogate mother. It's just a joke. Stop jizzing all over a video game character and get your panties out of a wad.

PS--The couple rep I received says that it was a somewhat clever joke that a couple people appreciated.

It has nothing to do with being a fanboy, especially because the term "fanboy" also has a different explanation than the one fitting for me. but only with you not understanding what axioms are. Autors have the power to decide about what is true and false in their story. Autors have the power to decide what is logical and what is paradox in their story. Lucrecia is one of his mothers and not just the one. Even biologically. That is a fact. Sephiroth was created through three parental cells. You are talking about missing logic in a world which does not work like ours. So please stop disgracing yourself by defending your posts by calling me a fanboy and your pathetic tries to provoke me or to insult me and that just proves that your intellectual level is not even close to what I should expect from a normal person. Your joke does not work because it is not fitting because of facts you don't know or don't accept. You want me to stop something while not stopping your own behavior. To quote you: Logic? None. And just because some people think you trolling in all threads is funny does not mean it is. So please stop that.

[Jinx]

1. I was never trolling
2. I never said Jenova wasn't one of his mothers, why are you thinking that? Jesus smurfing Christ.


EDIT: I didn't say the logic of the world was dumb, but that YOUR logic was dumb.

[Sephiroth]

1. I was never trolling
2. I never said Jenova wasn't one of his mothers, why are you thinking that? Jesus smurfing Christ.


EDIT: I didn't say the logic of the world was dumb, but that YOUR logic was dumb.

Then what do you call what you're doing right now? And your first or second post implied you not thinking that Jenova is one of his mothers. If that was a misunderstanding, I am sorry.

And how can my logic be dumb? It is not my logic. It is Nojima's logic.

[Jinx]

I'm not trolling, I'm arguing. There's a difference. Because you aren't comprehending.

And by your logic being dumb, I meant the logic that "OH HEY HER JOKE DOESN'T WORK." Yeah, it does. It was a pithy show that Sephiroth never mentions or cares that Lucrecia is his mother (at least not in the original game.) So yeah, it does work. That's the point of jokes in general. To take something, and poke fun at it.

[Sephiroth]

I'm not trolling, I'm arguing. There's a difference. Because you aren't comprehending.

And by your logic being dumb, I meant the logic that "OH HEY HER JOKE DOESN'T WORK." Yeah, it does. It was a pithy show that Sephiroth never mentions or cares that Lucrecia is his mother (at least not in the original game.) So yeah, it does work. That's the point of jokes in general. To take something, and poke fun at it.

Hah, now I see. There was a total mistake of mine. I thought the other posts were written by you. But you only replied to them and to mine as well.

Then I am really sorry. I thought you were the same person writing the "momma's boy" comment. That was really my fault.