Pokemon Gen 6, X & Y announced; worldwide release in October

[Ultima Shadow]

It is ugly, I won't deny that. I think it works very well as a Pokémon version of Nidhogg, though. I hadn't noticed the Norse connection myself, but I'm quite liking it. Why couldn't we have a Norse Pokémon game instead of a French one?

Agreed. And it certainly has a much better design than the mega evolutions of two certain pokemon whose names both start with the letter G. *goes back to complaining about Gyarados and Gardevoir's mega evolutions*

I mean... maybe it's just the screenshots I've seen, but it looks like Gyara basically goes back to fish-form. What the heck? And it also changes type to Water/Dark apparently, which as cool or whatever it might sound IS JUST NOT WHAT I WANTED FOR MY ALL-TIME FAVOURITE POKEMON! AHHH!!! And I don't want Mold Breaker either. Intimidate or gtfo! =(



Also, it seems like Mega Gengar - who actually looks kinda cool by the way - will have 170 base Sp Attack and the Shadow Tag ability. Combine that with 130 speed, and... yeah. Herpaderpasweepadeepah! I'm starting to really hope that activating the mega evos won't be as simple as just equiping the pokemon with the required item and have them transform on the first turn or something.



Something cool, though, is that Aegislash (final evo of Honedge) not only look nice but seem to be quite a powerhouse too. It learns both Sword Dance and one of the 2x speed-increasing moves and has some pretty nice STAB moves to go with each set like Shadow Sneak and Iron Head. And it gets some pretty nice coverage moves too. In its "attack form" it also has 150 base attack and sp attack and 60 in all other stats, while the defense form has 150 in both defenses and 60 in all the other stats. 60 speed might suck, but Shadow Sneak or 2 x Speed Boost takes care of that.



ps: I want pokemon Z alternative mega evolutions for Gyara and Gardevoir.

[Skyblade]

It is ugly, I won't deny that. I think it works very well as a Pokémon version of Nidhogg, though. I hadn't noticed the Norse connection myself, but I'm quite liking it. Why couldn't we have a Norse Pokémon game instead of a French one?

Agreed. And it certainly has a much better design than the mega evolutions of two certain pokemon whose names both start with the letter G. *goes back to complaining about Gyarados and Gardevoir's mega evolutions*

We've only seen Mega-Gardevoir from a single screenshot. I'm hoping that the "balloon dress" is actually going to move in combat, so that the majority of the time it won't actually be a balloon.

I mean... maybe it's just the screenshots I've seen, but it looks like Gyara basically goes back to fish-form. What the heck? And it also changes type to Water/Dark apparently, which as cool or whatever it might sound IS JUST NOT WHAT I WANTED FOR MY ALL-TIME FAVOURITE POKEMON! AHHH!!! And I don't want Mold Breaker either. Intimidate or gtfo! =(

If Mega-Evolution is battle only, Intimidate is probably going to be useless on it. Think of it. You send out Gyarados, it Intimidates the foe. You Mega-Evolve it, and now you have a useful ability on it again. It will depend if you can trade out for another Pokémon while keeping the Mega-Evolution, but my guess on that is actually "no". So you'd have Gyarados's Intimidate whenever you needed it, making Mold Breaker essentially a backup for after Intimidate has taken effect.

Also, it seems like Mega Gengar - who actually looks kinda cool by the way - will have 170 base Sp Attack and the Shadow Tag ability. Combine that with 130 speed, and... yeah. Herpaderpasweepadeepah! I'm starting to really hope that activating the mega evos won't be as simple as just equiping the pokemon with the required item and have them transform on the first turn or something.

Is Mega-Gengar still Poison subtyped and weak to Psychic? Or is it going to be Dark?

Everything I've seen has suggested "other requirements", so we'll see what they are. At the very least, though, I'm expecting some restrictions.

Something cool, though, is that Aegislash (final evo of Honedge) not only look nice but seem to be quite a powerhouse too. It learns both Sword Dance and one of the 2x speed-increasing moves and has some pretty nice STAB moves to go with each set like Shadow Sneak and Iron Head. And it gets some pretty nice coverage moves too. In its "attack form" it also has 150 base attack and sp attack and 60 in all other stats, while the defense form has 150 in both defenses and 60 in all the other stats. 60 speed might suck, but Shadow Sneak or 2 x Speed Boost takes care of that.

I've only seen its shield form, which I don't particularly like. 60 HP isn't great either, by the way, even if its defenses rock and it has a great defensive typing too (Steel is seriously Overpowered on the number of resistances it has).

ps: I want pokemon Z alternative mega evolutions for Gyara and Gardevoir.

And I want Mega-Marowak (I figure it would get two clubs, and a more intimidating looking skull/helmet). Maybe Mega Espeon too (definitely a Mega-Umbreon, that poor guy really needs the help), but a Magic Bounce Espeon is still pretty dang powerful, and I don't think the Mega-Evolutions are going to change the fact that the movesets of some Pokémon suck. The Eeveelutions get seriously shafted on what they can learn, attack-wise.

[Sephex]

I enjoy Pokemon.

[Quindiana Jones]

Mega-Gardevoir looks like a lychee.

[Ultima Shadow]

We've only seen Mega-Gardevoir from a single screenshot. I'm hoping that the "balloon dress" is actually going to move in combat, so that the majority of the time it won't actually be a balloon.

I hope you're right. And I kinda hope that Mega Gyarados actually looks better in-game as well. But I won't get my hopes up.

If Mega-Evolution is battle only, Intimidate is probably going to be useless on it. Think of it. You send out Gyarados, it Intimidates the foe. You Mega-Evolve it, and now you have a useful ability on it again. It will depend if you can trade out for another Pokémon while keeping the Mega-Evolution, but my guess on that is actually "no". So you'd have Gyarados's Intimidate whenever you needed it, making Mold Breaker essentially a backup for after Intimidate has taken effect.

You do have a point, if they don't keep their mega-forms when switching out. I thought that they would keep their mega forms, but if they don't then that would kinda balance some of the more broken mega-forms a bit too. So yeah.

Is Mega-Gengar still Poison subtyped and weak to Psychic? Or is it going to be Dark?

Still Poison. Luckily. Gengar doesn't need a no-weakness typing in addition to those ridiculous stats. Though Poison might turn out to be a more relevant type now that Fairy has been introduced too.

I've only seen its shield form, which I don't particularly like. 60 HP isn't great either, by the way, even if its defenses rock and it has a great defensive typing too (Steel is seriously Overpowered on the number of resistances it has).

The attack form is pretty similar, but not looking like it's defending itself with the sheild basically. Still, I personally think it's pretty cool. And while 60 HP is low, putting just 100 EVs in HP, none in defense and not having a defense-boosting, it will still be able to survive a Flare Bliz from a max attack non-CB/Life Orb Infernape while in defense form.

And if it holds a Life Orb or some 20% ghost-type increasing item, then a Shadow Sneak after Swords Dance can be enough to OHKO back (assuming Sword Dance count as a defensive move and that the mode-change has priority over all attacks. Otherwise, it just has to be Sword Dance on the switch). And that's just taking one of its worse possible typing matchups. Its many resistances allows it to tank pretty much anything that Scizor could possibly throw at it. And if you just get that Autotomize in, it will be able to outspeed and - with Expert Belt or Life Orb - at least 2HKO pretty much any pokemon with just the moves revealed for it so far.

I might be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure this pokemon will end up in the OU tier and is going to be awesome in many teams. In a trick room team, getting a single Sword Dance in will turn it into a total monster.

And I want Mega-Marowak (I figure it would get two clubs, and a more intimidating looking skull/helmet). Maybe Mega Espeon too (definitely a Mega-Umbreon, that poor guy really needs the help), but a Magic Bounce Espeon is still pretty dang powerful, and I don't think the Mega-Evolutions are going to change the fact that the movesets of some Pokémon suck. The Eeveelutions get seriously shafted on what they can learn, attack-wise.

Mega-Marowak would be pretty neat, yes. I'd also like to see a mega Crobat. And who knows... perhaps the Eeveelutions will actually get better movepools in X/Y? The reduced power of hidden power from 70 to 60 doesn't help a lot for some though.

[Skyblade]

We've only seen Mega-Gardevoir from a single screenshot. I'm hoping that the "balloon dress" is actually going to move in combat, so that the majority of the time it won't actually be a balloon.

I hope you're right. And I kinda hope that Mega Gyarados actually looks better in-game as well. But I won't get my hopes up.

Flying Pokémon now actively flap their wings in combat, so I don't see how that's much different from the dress.

If Mega-Evolution is battle only, Intimidate is probably going to be useless on it. Think of it. You send out Gyarados, it Intimidates the foe. You Mega-Evolve it, and now you have a useful ability on it again. It will depend if you can trade out for another Pokémon while keeping the Mega-Evolution, but my guess on that is actually "no". So you'd have Gyarados's Intimidate whenever you needed it, making Mold Breaker essentially a backup for after Intimidate has taken effect.

You do have a point, if they don't keep their mega-forms when switching out. I thought that they would keep their mega forms, but if they don't then that would kinda balance some of the more broken mega-forms a bit too. So yeah.

Yep. Not guaranteed, but I think it's likely. It adds some balance to the Mega-Forms.

Also, how often do you switch Pokémon around in combat? I mean, Intimidate doesn't get that many uses for me in a typical battle anyway. Playing single player, I almost never pull a Pokémon, instead only switching after the opponent faints and I get my free switch. So I would usually only get a maximum of three uses of Intimidate anyway. And Mold Breaker is pretty awesome. It would negate Flash Fire, Water Absorb, Volt Absorb, Levitate, Sap Sipper, etcetera. Negating Water Absorb on a Quagsire can make Mega Gyarados's water attacks hit a lot harder.

Is Mega-Gengar still Poison subtyped and weak to Psychic? Or is it going to be Dark?

Still Poison. Luckily. Gengar doesn't need a no-weakness typing in addition to those ridiculous stats. Though Poison might turn out to be a more relevant type now that Fairy has been introduced too.

Ghost/Dark is now weak to Fairy. No more Wondertombs.

I've only seen its shield form, which I don't particularly like. 60 HP isn't great either, by the way, even if its defenses rock and it has a great defensive typing too (Steel is seriously Overpowered on the number of resistances it has).

The attack form is pretty similar, but not looking like it's defending itself with the sheild basically. Still, I personally think it's pretty cool. And while 60 HP is low, putting just 100 EVs in HP, none in defense and not having a defense-boosting, it will still be able to survive a Flare Bliz from a max attack non-CB/Life Orb Infernape while in defense form.

And if it holds a Life Orb or some 20% ghost-type increasing item, then a Shadow Sneak after Swords Dance can be enough to OHKO back (assuming Sword Dance count as a defensive move and that the mode-change has priority over all attacks. Otherwise, it just has to be Sword Dance on the switch). And that's just taking one of its worse possible typing matchups. Its many resistances allows it to tank pretty much anything that Scizor could possibly throw at it. And if you just get that Autotomize in, it will be able to outspeed and - with Expert Belt or Life Orb - at least 2HKO pretty much any pokemon with just the moves revealed for it so far (including possible OHKO on Blissey with Sacred Sword).

I might be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure this pokemon will end up in the OU tier and is going to be awesome in many teams. In a trick room team, getting a single Sword Dance in will turn into a total monster.

I liked it better when it was a living sword, not a shield holding a sword. But oh well.

I think the tier system is going to be torn to shreds when people realize that there isn't a cheat system for the 3DS, and lose their ability to create custom Pokémon at will. Smogon is certainly going to have to rethink its systems.

And I want Mega-Marowak (I figure it would get two clubs, and a more intimidating looking skull/helmet). Maybe Mega Espeon too (definitely a Mega-Umbreon, that poor guy really needs the help), but a Magic Bounce Espeon is still pretty dang powerful, and I don't think the Mega-Evolutions are going to change the fact that the movesets of some Pokémon suck. The Eeveelutions get seriously shafted on what they can learn, attack-wise.

Mega-Marowak would be pretty neat, yes. I'd also like to see a mega Crobat. And who knows... perhaps the Eeveelutions will actually get better movepools in X/Y? The reduced power of hidden power from 70 to 60 doesn't help a lot for some though.

I suppose the new movepools are a possibility. Since GameFreak does actually seem to be looking at the old Pokémon, even a little. Maybe they'll finally realize that the Eeveelutions really need more than their STAB attacks to survive.

90% of Pokémon don't have Hidden Power 70 anyway. Honestly, the move is already so gimmicky, and now they're reducing it even more?



Edit: As long as we're basing Pokémon on mythologies, I want a Quetzacoatl. Mostly because a flying snake would be able to learn both Coil and Quiver Dance (Dunsparce has wings, maybe it could get Quiver Dance, even if it is typically moth/butterfly-only). Think about it. Toss in either Minimize or Double Team, and Baton Pass, and you would have a Pokémon that could Baton Pass every stat boost in the game. Bonus points if it had the ability Simple and got double boosts from all of those.

[Ultima Shadow]

Yep. Not guaranteed, but I think it's likely. It adds some balance to the Mega-Forms.

Also, how often do you switch Pokémon around in combat? I mean, Intimidate doesn't get that many uses for me in a typical battle anyway. Playing single player, I almost never pull a Pokémon, instead only switching after the opponent faints and I get my free switch. So I would usually only get a maximum of three uses of Intimidate anyway. And Mold Breaker is pretty awesome. It would negate Flash Fire, Water Absorb, Volt Absorb, Levitate, Sap Sipper, etcetera. Negating Water Absorb on a Quagsire can make Mega Gyarados's water attacks hit a lot harder.

Depending on the team I'm using and the team I'm facing, I might actually switch around a whole lot. And even if I only switch in Gyara twice in a battle, Intimidate will usually be very relevant both of those times. Only in online-play though. Switches are less relevant against the in-game AI trainers. And Mold Breaker is a great ability too, but I'm just a really big fan of Intimidate.

Ghost/Dark is now weak to Fairy. No more Wondertombs.

Oh! Didn't notice! Well, then that typing isn't quite as crazy anymore.

I liked it better when it was a living sword, not a shield holding a sword. But oh well.

It's actually still a sword. A sword holding a sheild and not the other way around. It's easier to see in its attack form I guess.



And apparently, it switches mode at the same time it uses a move, but it starts out in defense mode. And it's actually best that way, since this makes it one of the best Scizor-counters ever. A max attack CB scizor would 5-hit KO it at best as long as it stays in the defensive form and has a 252 HP investment. Unless the Scizor switches out immediately, it could get two sword dances in, OHKO Scizor with Sacred Sword and then OHKO or 2HKO pretty much everything else in its path with Shadow Sneak.

It seems like it also has a move that works like Protect, but reduces the opponent's Attack at the same time as an additional bonus, which makes it even better and gives it an instant and safe defense-mode switch option.

I think the tier system is going to be torn to shreds when people realize that there isn't a cheat system for the 3DS, and lose their ability to create custom Pokémon at will. Smogon is certainly going to have to rethink its systems.

Possibly, though it will still be relevant at online battle sites. And even though it's almost impossible to get full 31's, it's completely possible to get 30-31 in the stats that matter the most. For example, I've managed to breed a Gyara that has 30 attack, 31 Speed and 28-30 in all the defensive stats. It's not quite the same as a full 31, but it's close enough that it won't really matter most of the time.

I suppose the new movepools are a possibility. Since GameFreak does actually seem to be looking at the old Pokémon, even a little. Maybe they'll finally realize that the Eeveelutions really need more than their STAB attacks to survive.

90% of Pokémon don't have Hidden Power 70 anyway. Honestly, the move is already so gimmicky, and now they're reducing it even more?

One can always hope.

And yeah, that's true. Now, it will hardly be worthwhile at all since a decent resisted STAB move probably will do as much as a super effective Hidden Power anyway in a lot of cases.

Edit: Fireblast, Thunder and Blizzard also get reduced to 110 instead of 120.

[Tigmafuzz]

I enjoy Pokemon.

I prefer Digimon.

[WildRaubtier]

I think the tier system is going to be torn to shreds when people realize that there isn't a cheat system for the 3DS, and lose their ability to create custom Pokémon at will. Smogon is certainly going to have to rethink its systems.

Seeing as how Smogon bases its tiering and competition systems around the online simulator Pokemon Showdown!, I foresee exactly no truth to this statement.

Edit: Fireblast, Thunder and Blizzard also get reduced to 110 instead of 120.

Hurricane, too, so I've heard.

[Fynn]

I enjoy Pokemon.

I prefer Digimon.

Digimon has a better cast and story, but Pokémon is better as a game, due to how rich and involving the concept is.

[Aulayna]

So you don't get to name your Rivals in this... but look who one of your Rivals is called...

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Shauna!

[Agent Proto]

I drew a picture of Shauna!

[Denmark]

one of my Australian friends who just got the game is streaming it until he passes out. I'm not watching because I want to experience everything myself first, but if anyone's interested: Werster - Twitch

[Shauna]

I am gonna be the very best.

[Jinx]

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