Quote Originally Posted by Laddy View Post
[/COLOR]No one ever said this was a discussion of good and evil. really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking..
You did! Repeatedly!
Wait...what? Too weak for FIENDS?
Uh, yes, hence why they exist.
Which faction's endings causes the single greatest blow to The Fiends? That's right, NCR.
No xD If all Fiend leaders live, ie, if the Courier wasn't around:

Never weakened by NCR, the Fiends staged an attack against Camp McCarran during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. Though NCR repulsed the Fiends, they suffered heavy losses in the process

The Fiends attacked Camp McCarran during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam and suffered heavy losses. Caesar, unimpressed with their performance and their dependence on chems, had them exterminated

lol.
Powder Gangers? NCR makes short work of them.
If the Courier helps.

What threats has the Legion been able to keep at bay?
87 of them if you want to be precise.
What faction's ending causes the Followers of the Apocalypse, arguably the only "good" faction in the game to be either totally displaced or even downright destroyed? Caesar's Legion.
Uh... what are you talking about

After the NCR's victory at the dam, the Followers of the Apocalypse were pushed out of Old Mormon Fort during its occupation by NCR forces. NCR further "encouraged" them to leave Outer Vegas entirely, and the Followers had no choice but to comply

Great Khans? Caesar smurfs them over. The Kings? Demolished. Novac? Almost totally destroyed. Oh wait, NCR had one tragic massacre that almost no one in the NCR endorses and it's an imperialist hellhole. Caesar's Legion does this as a policy rather than a tragedy and it's acceptable? What sort of argument is that? Who's the hypocrite here?
And what happens to all of those groups under NCR (other than Novac as it's an NCR town an doesn't count anyway!) They get smurfed over too, unless the Courier intervenes. The difference is that's what Caesar sets out to do. He never says "I am not going to kill people", he just goes and does it. The NCR plead democracy or raising people up or some crap and murder them anyway. They're both identical, only one at least has the balls to admit what he's doing. Also... never... once claimed that the Legion were anything but a bunch of assholes, indeed I've repeatedly stated "smurf the Legion" so I don't know who is the hypocrite to which you refer.


The thing is, NCR does provide safety and security for its citizens. ALL OF ITS CITIZENS. There are no slaves, no people punished for speaking out. Caesar's Legion cannot provide safety for its citizens because it endorses the mistreatment and subjugation of a large portion of its citizens. Whatever security the NCR somehow fails to provide, it makes up for by not establishing a certain portion of the population as objects.
The game's lead developer straight up says that the Legion's "citizens" have more safety and security than those of the NCR so you can stop with that line, champ. It's not a Legion policy to go around randomly murdering the entire population and you're blind if you think it is. Caesar is creating an Empire. What he does is a means to an end. There is no point in killing/enslaving everyone and stifling the economy so he doesn't do it. But hey ho now who is really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.ning?
Also, if the Legion was so capable of performing better than NCR militarily, why haven't they been able to expand in their territory until a massive political paradigm shift is specifically engineered in their favor?[/COLOR]
There's that man of straw again, sugar! Never said that. The NCR's military smurfing vastly dominates the Legion's. The NCR flies around in Vertibirds with Thermic Lances and smurfing Laser Rifles. The Legion's best weapon is a chainsaw xD

So you tell me why the Legion can keep its lands under greater control and fight the NCR to a stalemate.