I'd say both were far better than Amputecture, but then, Amputecture was so mind numbingly bad that I didn't listen to a new Mars Volta album until finally giving Bedlam in Goliath a shot maybe two or three months ago. Then I realized that Amputecture was probably an anomaly and grabbed the rest. Now sure, not everything on Octahedron and Noctourniquet is great, and none of it is really like the style they set out in the beginning, but most of those aldums are good to really smurfing great.