Mafia XXV: Action Movie Badasses Game Thread Day 6

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Yeah, that was an interesting read. It was a bit targeted but thorough nonetheless.

Another thing I just remembered about Weaver, didn't she vote for herself at some point? That reeks of the typical "sacrifice self-vote" that goons often try to end it quickly when they have no hope. I mean, why would a Cop ever do that?

One at a time. Systematically remove the threats; don't spread your resources too thin.

Voting for yourself is not necessarily a "goon" trick. It is a survival trick, either to make people think you have nothing to lose and are therefore vanilla, or you have everything to gain and are therefore jester. As a cop, voting for herself - indeed, getting herself lynched - would serve only to incriminate Jason Statham, and even then, only potentially. The potential for an honest Weaver to be insane is there, and that would mean two (potential) deaths and losses of power roles for naught.

Weaver's strategy is strange, her actions and words contradictory, and her targets unfounded. For those reasons, I think we should lynch her.

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

It's feeling to me like both Weaver and Statham have guilt inexplicably dependent on the other. Anyone else getting that weird vibe? Mothersmurfer, it's making me burn through these sugar reserves. I'm gonna need to stock up on candy, so for now, I'm out. Peace, mothersmurfers.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

I am so proud of you, Jason! And now I'm fairly convinced you're telling the truth. If you do somehow end up being scum then hats off to you because you will have fooled me utterly. I have been waiting for you to come on and see what you said before making my decision. Now that you have,

##vote Sigourney Weaver

You're full of trout and I want you to hang.

Not even going to wait for her report results?

Why?

We cannot trust her results. We cannot trust her. If she says X is Innocent and flips a mafia goon, what does that make X? Is it a fellow member of the mafia? Is it a townie being incriminated?

Sigourney Weaver is a threat to all of our safety.

[[M] Apollo]

Chill, man. I need people to post in between my switches as I mentioned earlier. I've been away and back all evening and only had a few moments to look over this thread.

There's still plenty of time for me to get my switches out of the way and I am purposefully letting them flow through the course of the day so that the votes are actually meaningful and not just about my gimmick. I take this stuff seriously. Rest assured I will get all three switches out by the time this is over.

The vote for Vin Diesel has nothing to do with you and has everything to do with the way he has been coming in and out, promising more input but never delivering. By promising us more it has the intention of making us keep him around and I'm not buying it.

I have not yet voted for Weaver because like I said I don't want to stack votes on her before she has the chance to explain herself. I'm on the fence with her Cop claim and I'd rather not speed vote out a potential Cop this early in the day. There's still plenty of time.

And just for that, I'm backtracking on everything I just said above and placing a vote on you, you smug bastard.

##Unvote: Vin Diesel
##Vote: Sam Jackson

[[M] Trevor - Gay Dad]

That vote better be for your role.

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Lucky I refreshed one last time, eh mothersmurfers? I refer you to posts #180, #181, and #182, in which Jason Statham vote-hopped with no posts in between. You would think that a stipulation like "you must have people posting in between your vote changes" would be present in the role mognet.

What now, Jace? I know it was on Day 0, but given the general confusion people harbored that day, I wouldn't be surprised if you thought you were gonna get a night action.

Check.

[[M] Apollo]

It's feeling to me like both Weaver and Statham have guilt inexplicably dependent on the other. Anyone else getting that weird vibe? Mothersmurfer, it's making me burn through these sugar reserves. I'm gonna need to stock up on candy, so for now, I'm out. Peace, mothersmurfers.

I don't see how it's dependent. If she dies and flips insane, or I die and flip town, then neither of us were guilty and the town is out a power role. I still think the possibility of her being Insane is still out there.

[[M] Gaius]

Wow, I've missed a lot. I don't understand at all why Statham's not dead. Nor do I understand why focus has shifted off of him entirely. Is miraculously surviving the lynch something that happens, and if so, is it more likely to happen to town than mafia?

I still think he's dirty, but there's only one person I feel like I can trust, and that's Sam (and maybe Willis, but he's so cryptic, I can't make sense of half of what he says), and he seems to be off Statham's case. Or are we just waiting on Weaver to come back with the results of last night's investigation?

Speaking of which, if she investigates herself and gets a guilty (presuming she's innocent/not lying) she could still be either Paranoid or Insane, right? One of those would clear Statham, the other would not, but we don't know which she is, so that only helps so far. If she gets an innocent back, then that makes Statham guilty. But then again, she could be lying.

[[M] Apollo]

That vote better be for your role.

It is.

##Unvote: Jackson
##Vote: Johnson

The person I wanted to be on anyway. Notice how nobody is talking about him anymore. Also that vote switch made me feel like I'm back in presidential mafia.

Sam: I misread the description, so I had to start over. I was being hasty on Day 1 because I was unsure of how much time I would have to post that day. On Day 0 I didn't play it that way because, well, I didn't want to get lynched for acting like a lunatic (almost did anyway).

[[M] Gaius]

Not to defend Statham, but simply to answer you Jackson, I believe Statham mentioned that he forgot about the post-in-between thing at the early stage, and then rectified that. I'll see if I can find the post.

[[M] Elize]

I am so proud of you, Jason! And now I'm fairly convinced you're telling the truth. If you do somehow end up being scum then hats off to you because you will have fooled me utterly. I have been waiting for you to come on and see what you said before making my decision. Now that you have,

##vote Sigourney Weaver

You're full of trout and I want you to hang.

Not even going to wait for her report results?

Why?

Because they make no difference whatsoever. Harrison has already done a pretty good job of pointing out a trout ton of reasons why Sigourney is completely untrustworthy. She's done nothing to indicate at any point that anything she turns up with will be true anyway, and going on everything she's done so far I fully expect her to show up and go with whatever she feels will be the safest claim to ensure her survival. "Oh I checked myself last night and got guilty oops " or something else like that. I don't buy it. Is the potential that she is some kind of gimped cop there? Yeah. But it's like a 5% chance that she's a cop and 95% that she's just been pulling random trout out of her ass all game. and honestly, people say like "ooh, better make sure, we don't want to lose a potential power role!!" Even if she DOES flip insane cop, it doesn't really make any difference because all she's demonstrated so far is that she is an utter numpty and I can't really see the benefit in keeping her around anyway. But like I said, I don't really buy that she's any kind of cop at all so it's kind of moot.

WRT Statham, I am quite comfortable stating that he's town and he's just been a victim of bad luck so far. Going after him would be a mistake in my opinion. Today he could have done one of two things, one of which would have convinced me he was town, the other which would have convinced me he was scum. He chose the former so I'm good with him.

[[M] Apollo]

Not to defend Statham, but simply to answer you Jackson, I believe Statham mentioned that he forgot about the post-in-between thing at the early stage, and then rectified that. I'll see if I can find the post.

Yeah, I thought I mentioned it somewhere. I'd also rather not get into a discussion about the details of my role pm because that's not really in the spirit of the game. If you think I'm scum based on my behavior then that's an understandable (but false) conclusion considering my role and everything that's happened thus far. But everything I've done has been for the benefit of the town and while I am alive in this game I will continue to proceed in that fashion. And now I really need some sleep.

[[M] Gaius]

I'm having a hard time giving up on the Statham, man.


Just can't do it.
I'll wait for Weaver or someone else to show up with more info, though, before I vote that way since nobody else is.

In the meanwhile, Johnson's sketchy guys. Several people have asked him to show up with something more pertinent than the tallies, but he still hasn't followed through. He's bandwagoned a few times as well.

I don't know if that's enough against a person to go all out after them, but I don't know how much I'll be able to be on later, so I'm going to vote now in case I don't get a chance to do so later.

##vote: Johnson

[[M] Eizen]

I am so proud of you, Jason! And now I'm fairly convinced you're telling the truth. If you do somehow end up being scum then hats off to you because you will have fooled me utterly. I have been waiting for you to come on and see what you said before making my decision. Now that you have,

##vote Sigourney Weaver

You're full of trout and I want you to hang.

Not even going to wait for her report results?

Why?

Because they make no difference whatsoever. Harrison has already done a pretty good job of pointing out a trout ton of reasons why Sigourney is completely untrustworthy. She's done nothing to indicate at any point that anything she turns up with will be true anyway, and going on everything she's done so far I fully expect her to show up and go with whatever she feels will be the safest claim to ensure her survival. "Oh I checked myself last night and got guilty oops " or something else like that. I don't buy it. Is the potential that she is some kind of gimped cop there? Yeah. But it's like a 5% chance that she's a cop and 95% that she's just been pulling random trout out of her ass all game. and honestly, people say like "ooh, better make sure, we don't want to lose a potential power role!!" Even if she DOES flip insane cop, it doesn't really make any difference because all she's demonstrated so far is that she is an utter numpty and I can't really see the benefit in keeping her around anyway. But like I said, I don't really buy that she's any kind of cop at all so it's kind of moot.

WRT Statham, I am quite comfortable stating that he's town and he's just been a victim of bad luck so far. Going after him would be a mistake in my opinion. Today he could have done one of two things, one of which would have convinced me he was town, the other which would have convinced me he was scum. He chose the former so I'm good with him.

For me it isn't her being a cop or not... it's just her overall bizarre and rash behavior that warrants my distrust.


She gave us all of this crap about why she's so important and needs to be kept alive and then just randomly jumps on neesons ass without warning or explanation at the end of the day.
This came entirely out of left field and ended in a tie-breaker being broken and one townie ending up dead (not including the later night kill).
If she wanted to keep herself alive for another investigation to be made why would she do something that she knew could get her into this situation with little rational backing the decision up?

[[M] Joe - Army Dad]

Sam: I misread the description, so I had to start over. I was being hasty on Day 1 because I was unsure of how much time I would have to post that day. On Day 0 I didn't play it that way because, well, I didn't want to get lynched for acting like a lunatic (almost did anyway).

Good answer. I deliberately mis-stated the day to try and throw you, but you got it right in the response. I don't remember seeing a post where you explained your initial smurf-up - and if Arnold Schwarzenegger finds it then I will read it this time - but I found myself an inconsistency and had to leap onto it. I been harassing you pretty hard for the past couple posts and you haven't cracked all that much. That'll do me fine; you pass my aggressive test. The L stands for Leroy Mothersmurfing Jenkins, so I have to be a little erratic. (Samuel Leroy Mothersmurfing Jenkins Jackson was apparently the coolest name to ever be registered in the United States by the way.)

I'm locked in this nightmare of a maze trying to discover whether it's you or Sigourney Weaver that is bulltroutting us (or both, or perhaps neither, but unlikely) and I had to put a little pressure on you to see what happened. I'm still willing to put my faith in Bruce Willis and in you for the time being, which marks Sigourney as the next big target. There's enough dirt coming up on her, so I won't jump in (plus I really gotta get some sugar in me now, my detective skills are dropping by like 40%) at the present time.

I do agree about Dwayne Johnson fading out, but so have many people. Nicolas Cage posted earlier and then disappeared. Will Smith is flitting in and out. Vin Diesel as we discussed is quiet. I'm going to stop there because we are all able to see who isn't here often. The fact remains that we've got scum to find and we still have mysteries to answer.

What happened with the lynch yesterday? I want you people to discuss that while I'm away. I also want you to listen to Sigourney Weaver's results. Whether or not they can be trusted does not mean they cannot be dissected. She targeted someone, and her revelation of person and alignment will give us more information on what her supposed role is meant to be. It could potentially help Jason Statham clear his name, and the poor sod's been on the chopping block two days running now, so let's try and help the guy out.

There was something else I wanted to say but I forgot. Regardless, I'll be expecting your reports on my desk when I return. Get cracking, deputies!