To be fair, Martinez is living with Moyes' players just as Moyes is living with SAF's players. You point to the manager, I point to the players. You can't judge a manager on a single season because they aren't the manager's players. A manager is more than just the bedding season.
As for Everton, I think everyone knew he was working with a budget that none of the other big clubs were dealing with and was punching above Everton's weight. Now Martinez is doing the same, but if United had signed Martinez as the manager everyone would have said exactly the same things they've said about Moyes, with a few changes. Unproven at a big club, etc. Instead of "No trophies" it'd be "Only one trophy, never stayed at a club for longer than a couple of seasons so uncertain over long term capability."
I still think it's too early to say what's going on with United. He's not signed any of the players he wanted, our first choice defence is a complete unknown and the only certainty is aging considerably, as are Rio and Vidic. Scholes has gone. It's a trouble that needs to be solved, and a certain Ed Woodward smurfed that up big time, not Moyes. Unless the manager has taken on the chairman responsibilities now.
