Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
Did you actually watch much of Everton the last couple of seasons? If you think we played turgid football which was awful to watch, then you obviously have higher expectations of Everton than me.
I'm not going to claim to be the Everton expert, no. I saw the odd game - I think I saw one v Chelsea and another v Spurs, but obviously what I did see were the derbys and his approach to them: 10 men behind the smurfing ball. Now, in the era when we were Champions League regulars fair enough, but it carried on even when we were midtable dross. And, well, I don't want to have to mention the Cup semi. He choked. Big time.

Regardless of that though, you will know far more about Everton than I do so if you tell me it wasn't always like that then I'll take your word for it and retract my turgid claims.
but he's hardly Tony Pulus or Alan Curbishley.
I sort of think he is. Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes, Mark Hughes.

Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
To be fair, Martinez is living with Moyes' players
But is he? Everton's best players this season have been - and Heath can feel free to weigh in if he wishes! - Coleman, Lukaku, Barkley, Barry and Delof...I'm not even going to try to spell it. 3 of them are Martinez signings, and Barkley barely got a sniff under Moyes - he's had more games under Martinez than 3 years under Moyes.

And yeah, I do point to the manager as opposed to the players. This is the sodding squad that just won the league! Minus an ancient Scholes, add Fellaini, Zaha and Januzaj and it's the exact same squad. If anything, it should be better. If it's just the players, you can't tell me that Ferguson would be languishing in 7th right now. I refuse to accept it.