That's so overwhelmingly cynical to say its an "awful game on every level that matters" especially when you don't dispute our enjoyment of the music and presentation.
The characters motivations made perfect sense to me. What was awesone was how those motivations scraped against and often times collided with eachother with the different character pairings.
XIII had really good writing.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooolOriginally Posted by Bolivar
Actually, I agree with that. The plot might have gone to crap, but I really liked the writing. The banter between characters was believable.
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Final Fantasy XIII may be my least favorite of the series, but it was still a very good game. I didn't think too highly of the battle rating system at first, but it's a good motivator to try and get battles done more efficiently, which ultimately is what makes the combat system so deep, interesting and fun. The challenge of FF XIII isn't to simply get through the battles, but to get a good rating in the process. I feel that too many players never found the enjoyment in it, which is a shame.
I'll never get tired of this series changing.
Pass. Everyone who's been in your vicinity has fallen ill.BoB's Top 100 Games - #47: Final Fantasy XIII (yes, Final Fantasy XIII - bite me!)
I'm assuming BoB's Top 100 games consist of the only 100 games he has played.
I'm half tempted to do a top 100 myself because everyone will hate it.
Phantasy Star Universe
FFXIII
Threads of Fate
Oblivion isn't on it
FFVI was sort of ok
etc
I had an initial list of about 220 games that I narrowed down to this 100, and I reckon I've played at least 300 games enough to be able to give an opinion on them and perhaps that would perhaps go up to about 500 if you include other games that I played for a short while. My biggest problem is probably that I forget the names of the games I played in years past.
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I really didnt like XIII's story, I didnt like many of the characters, I didnt like the linearity (even if its justified by the story... I didnt like the story), I didnt like that it had persona syndrome (Can't you just use a smurfing phoenix down on me? No? Okay...) BUT there were many things I liked
I LIKED
The music
The variety of the jobs and how useful they were (but I HATED the ranking system mind you.)
The challenge of even basic battles (they dont hold back because they give you back all your hp/mp after the fight, and some of the fights are BRUTAL)
The music. Oh GOD the music.
The creativity of the environments, even if we really dont get to explore them
and simply, this game is just good eye-candy.
But yea, I dont want to play for hours of the game again just to start maybe having fun. It's not as bad as people make it out to be (many people level their complaints purely at the story, but thats not the only thing that matters). But the thing is even the stuff I liked I doubt I'll ever experience again because it has little to no replay-ability. I will continue to listen to the music all the time though.
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I mean it was alright. I glossed over the plot even more than FFXII so that doesn't help, but the characters were a little more realistic and I kind of gave a trout that they were trying to do something and it was hard (I don't know what they were trying to do or why it was hard but I feel for 'em).
Also re: the smiles comment, it's hard for me to picture Balthier not smiling but other than that yeah FFXII was kind of morose.
Yeah, I have to agree with Spuuky. Some of FFXIII's writing was pretty good, including parts of the character dialogue and development in the early chapters. But the story writing, especially after chapter 9 or so, was some of the worst writing in the entire series. As in, jaw-droppingly awful.looooooooooooooooooooooooool
FFXIII's battle system was actually a positive for me (although I wish it would have built more on FFXII's system), but everything collateral to the battle system was a negative. The weapons upgrade system was a joke, the leveling-up system was very simplistic, and it seemed like gil was only added to the game as a very late afterthought. And, of course, the entire game (minus chapter 11) was wandering down one straight path that was basically a caricature of linearity.
I barely remember the music, and aside from the battle theme I don't remember thinking much of it was overly good. But even if it had the greatest soundtrack in human history it would still be an awful game. The music doesn't make it suck less on that front. And I'm not even sure what the hell you mean by presentation? Are you talking art style? Because its art style was also an afront to human senses.The people who made those monster designs in particular don't seem to know anything about making designs that read well visually.
I'm honestly a bit dumbfounded that when I say it's an awful game, that I need to expand beyond talking about the gameplay to make that point.
Seriously? The only person actually bothered by their situation, which is objectively the worst thing any of them could have imagined, is Sazh. Meanwhile, Vanille hides important information from them because reasons, Hope wants to kill Snow for something any moron could see wasn't his fault, and Lightning encourages him to do it in one chapter, then has a change of heart in the next for absolutely no reason which is ever explained.The characters motivations made perfect sense to me. What was awesone was how those motivations scraped against and often times collided with eachother with the different character pairings.
If you consider those characters well written then I honestly don't see how. One of them was. Only one. The rest of spend the whole game being morons and doing things for absolutely no reason that makes sense. Hell, they even switch their intended goals multiple times, to say nothing of the villains whose plan doesn't even make sense when you look at what they're trying to do and how they actually try to accomplish it.
Like I said, in every way that really matters it is an awful game. There's no getting around it. And no matter how much graphical polish, voice acting, and a decent soundtrack they may have tried to cover it up with, it's one of the worst RPG's I've ever watched (saying I played it would be giving it more credit than it deserves since what few things it let me decide were completely obvious and only had one correct choice. So basically, it didn't let me decide anything of value all game long).
Vanille hides information because she' arguably the reason the characters are suffering so much. Hope watched his mother die in front of him because of Snow's overly-hazardous heroics. Lightning (maybe) encouraged him because she was still reeling from the anger of blaming him for what happened to Serah, while time (as in real life) dulled that emotion and led to more sober advice.
You still haven't established that it's bad writing without ignoring obvious plot points ("because reasons") or doing so while throwing around insults ("any moron could see"). XIII had fun combat, great presentation, and a story you more or less expect from Square at this point. If we put the same microscope you're using on XIII over the games you like, I'm sure we could bring them down to just as low a level.
Would you disagree?
>>> Okaaaaay..
But, why FFX is not below XIII? I thought you did not like FFX.
Or maybe FFX is not part of your top100?..
>> The black orb glitters ominously... but nothing happens..
FFX is most definitely not part of my top 100 games.
EDIT: Sorry for the delays, btw. Work got buys, and FFXIV got extra-fun.
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