Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel

[charliepanayi]

Got to be some fans here, right? Let's talk about great Buffy/Angel are (though much to my shame, I've still not got round to seeing the latter). I'm currently re-watching all of Buffy, and am midway through the third season. Wesley has just arrived, and it's kind of weird seeing the bumbling idiot he was in Buffy knowing how differently his character is meant to turn out in the end in Angel. And I just saw The Zeppo, which is one of my favourite episodes.

So, any fans? Favourite character(s)/episodes/moments/villains? In terms of Big Bads, my favourite was Glory, season five of Buffy is amazing. Though the Mayor and Angelus were great fun too.

As for favourite episodes: Passion, The Zeppo, Hush, The Body (probably my favourite of all), The Gift, Once More With Feeling, Conversations with Dead People

[Night Fury]

I can't even write down into words how much I love Buffy. I'll post my top ten episodes tomorrow when my brain is less fried.

[Raistlin]

I've watched Buffy through twice and Angel once. I like Buffy more overall, though Angel had flashes of dark brilliance. It was just overshadowed in the long run by goofy plots that manage to out-silly Buffy (see: traveling to demon dimensions in a convertible, end of season 4, almost everything that went on in Wolfram & Hart season 5, etc.).

My favorite character is definitely Spike. My favorite episodes are the ones with Spike in them (especially: Lover's Walk season 3, the one where Spike/Buffy get "married" in season 4, and more serious ones like Lies My Parents Told Me in season 7). Angel season 5 kinda pissed me off because it largely ignored all of Spike's development and maturity in season 7 of Buffy to turn him into a goofy sidekick (which part of me was ok with, as goofy Spike was hilarious in seasons 3-6 of Buffy).

As far as Big Bads go, it's tough to beat Angelus, in either Buffy or Angel. I thought the Beast/Angelus subplot was the best part of season 4 Angel, before the show ruined both it and Cordelia. Dark Willow was also great.

[Bunny]

Both shows were incredible and had their moments, but overall I enjoyed Angel more. The quirkiness of Buffy and the Scoobies got tiresome after awhile and, despite the fact that I know it existed, it felt like it stunted the growth of the characters at certain times. Overall, the cast and stories of Angel were more enjoyable for me when compared to Buffy.

For Angel, my favorite character was probably Fred. Wesley was a very close second because the growth of his character over the series was pretty incredible and very well done. Fred was goofy and adorable though, so that's hard to beat. Similarly, for Buffy, my favorite character was probably Anya. Spike was a great character, but the broodiness and his complete failure as a villain was kinda boring sometimes.

For the Big Bads, I agree with Raistlin.

[krissy]

we will walk
through the fiiire

[charliepanayi]

The goofy humour is one of the major reasons I love Buffy so much, it also means even many of the weaker episodes get some funny dialogue.

I'd rank the seasons like this: 5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 1

[Aulayna]

I smurfin' love Buffy and Angel!

Buffy's my favourite character in Buffy. Angel, well, considering I was rocking a Fred set for ages... so yes Fred is my favourite.

Personally I preferred the last season of Angel to Buffy but think Buffy was overall a better show.

[Calliope]

I've watched this show about a gazillion times and am up to S3 in my current rewatch. Spike and Anya are my favourite characters, although there is something great about most of them; which especially comes out in the snarkfest that is their dialogue.

I'm not the sort of person who worries or thinks very much about aging, but I feel semi-old because this time around Giles is the dude I'd wanna bang. Hey there, Ripper

That's okay though; Willow got with Wesley in the end so I will consider my watcher-librarian fetish vicariously played out

[charliepanayi]

It feels weird remembering how long ago the show began now. James Marsters is now 50 - that just sounds wrong.

[noxious.sunshine]

Oh the movie from the 80s is great. The show? Not so much.

[Night Fury]

Oh the movie from the 80s is great. The show? Not so much.

The movie was the 90's (92)

[noxious.sunshine]

Oh yeah ! Duh lol. My bad.

[Shlup]

I watched both series through once and found them quite enjoyable. I'm not sure which I like better.

[Pumpkin]

I like Buffy. I've seen them all but that was like... 14 years ago now? I've never seen Angel.

[Raistlin]

Buffy ended 10 years ago (god I feel old just saying that).

I'd rank the seasons like this: 5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 1

1 being last is almost a given, though you criminally underrate season 6 (if only for Once More With Feeling and the Dark Wllow arc). Season 7 is a bit weird. The first half of it is really very good, with episodes like Beneath You and Him and Conversations with Dead People. And then the potentials show up for the latter half of the season and their job is basically to whine, bitch, and grate on your nerves constantly (except for Felicia Day).

If I had to name my favorite character from Angel... I think I'd have to pick my namesake, Wesley. Angel has two of the biggest character arcs of the Buffyverse, with both Wesley and Cordelia becoming dramatically more mature. Fred would be second, because science geeks are awesome.