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    Why is Tifa in the story, besides providing a love interest for Cloud? What is her dramatic purpose? What statements does the examination of her character make? How do they relate to the statments made by the arc of Aeris?

    Why Tifa?

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    My response to this question
    can be found in this fan-fiction I wrote: http://home.eyesonff.com/timber-mani...ss-heaven.html
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    She's not just a love interest for Cloud, she is the link to who he really is, the catalyst towards him regaining his senses after he falls into the Lifestream and being able to stop Sephiroth from controlling him. I'd say she has a larger part to play in the story than most of the cast.
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    Love interest? Nah. Like BoB said, she's there to be Cloud's anchor to reality. She provides dramatic irony because she knows the reality of what happened but doesn't reveal it right away. In fact, in replaying the game recently, I'd say my favorite part was watching Tifa react to Cloud's inaccurate version of events. She's the replay value of the game, because you wouldn't realize on the first play that there's something truly flawed with Cloud's story, but in retrospect, her reactions are meant to reflect an incongruity in and an unease with the provided narrative.

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    Yeah, she serves as an anchor. She's kind of a foil for Aerith in a sense but I think her character, and a lot of characters, are kind of unnecessary or underdeveloped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiro View Post
    A foil for Aerith
    Intriguing.

    Aerith is kind, gentle, frail and wears a pink dress. Tifa, on the other hand, is robust, tough, and wears shorts and a tank top.

    But in the end, Aerith turns out to have been the more spiritually powerful of the two. I think people forget what happens right as Tifa enters the Lifestream...

    It's kind of disturbing. We get to see Tifa confronted with personal demons of hers as she begins to hear the voices of the planet for the first time. She begins to try to run away, but doesn't get anywhere.

    In a way, Tifa's identity is being examined as much as Cloud's is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooniest View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jiro View Post
    A foil for Aerith
    Intriguing.

    Aerith is kind, gentle, frail and wears a pink dress. Tifa, on the other hand, is robust, tough, and wears shorts and a tank top.
    This is bollocks! Tifa is kinder and gentler than Aeris, easily. Sure, when fighting you could say that applies, but certainly not in storyline. People are too quick to look at clothes and jobs and then assume personality traits. I love that Tifa & Aeris both break stereotype when it comes to personality vs. appearances. Just look at what they're like on the Golden Saucer dates and pretty much any other time they interact. Aeris is outgoing, energetic, direct. Tifa is introverted, shy and caring.
    But in the end, Aerith turns out to have been the more spiritually powerful of the two. I think people forget what happens right as Tifa enters the Lifestream...

    It's kind of disturbing. We get to see Tifa confronted with personal demons of hers as she begins to hear the voices of the planet for the first time. She begins to try to run away, but doesn't get anywhere.

    In a way, Tifa's identity is being examined as much as Cloud's is.
    While I agree with "spirtually stronger", that's fairly irrelevant to mental strength for the most part. It's hard to say that Aeris is mentally stronger than Tifa when their experiences are so very different. Aeris may have had hardship in her life, but just five years ago Tifa watched her friends and family get murdered and her entire town burned to the ground, and then Cloud pops up - who was there at the time - and acts like everything was different. If I were her, I'd get pretty mentally smurfed by that too. I'd wager such experiences would have a much more traumatising impact on Aeris than what we see of Aeris' memorable youth. Therefore, at the moment Tifa overcomes such things, you could argue that she is mentally stronger than any. She also is mentally strong enough to help Cloud go through his struggles simultaneously, which is no small achievement.

    Of course, it probably helps that Aeris can 'speak' to the spirits of her lost ones through prayer or something, too. xD
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    Aeris is all "I don't need your smurfing concern Cloud I can handle myself" when he tells her to stay home 'cause it's dangerous. Tifa would probably have at least taken the advice on board.

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    I wonder if you've ever thought that Aerith is um...supposed to be a Messianic Figure? Her Final Limit break? "Great Gospel?"

    She gets killed, and 3 discs later, appears again to save the world?

    I just thought everybody was already aware of this stuff.

    TV Tropes does actually exist, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooniest View Post
    TV Tropes does actually exist, right?
    TV Tropes isn't the absolute truth on everything, just peoples' opinions.
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    I could say, "and this isn't?"

    But yeah, I guess TV Tropes is probably more given to wild mass guessing, after all. But that's what's so fun about making up stories...the endless possibilities.

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    The writers of a story need not have intended a character to be a Messianic Figure for that character to become a Messianic Figure in the eyes of its audience. lol "And on the third disc, she rose." FYI TV Tropes is not about wild mass guessing... I mean, it starts that way, but on further examination, the trope are edited to what fits the work and what doesn't is removed. Admittedly, this isn't easy as there are many tropes that have similarities and some are basically cousins, but that doesn't result in straight up fail.
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    BoB[/I]]Cloud pops up and acts like everything was different
    Eh?
    Jack: How do you know?

    Will: It's more of a feeling really.

    Jack: Well, that's not scientific. Feeling isn't knowing. Feeling is believing. If you believe it, you can't know because there's no knowing what you believe. Then again, no one should believe what they know either. Once you know anything that anything becomes unbelievable if only by virtue of the fact you now... know it. You know?

    Will: No.

    If Demolition Man were remade today

    Huxley: What's wrong? You broke contact.
    Spartan: Contact? I didn't even touch you.
    Huxley: Don't you want to make love?
    Spartan: Is that what you call this? Why don't we just do it the old-fashioned way?
    Huxley: NO!
    Spartan: Whoa! Okay, calm down.
    Huxley: Don't tell me to calm down!
    Spartan: What's gotten into you? 'Cause it sure as hell wasn't me.
    Huxley: Physical relations in the way of intercourse are no longer acceptable John Spartan.
    Spartan: What? Why the hell not?
    Huxley: It's the law, John. And for your information, the very idea that you suggested it makes me feel personally violated.
    Spartan: Wait a minute... violated? Huxley what the hell are you accusing me of here?
    Huxley: You need to leave, John.
    Spartan: But Huxley.
    Huxley: Get out!
    Moments later Spartan is arrested for "violating" Huxley.

    By the way, that's called satire. Get over it.

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    Tifa is FFVII subverting the RPG heroine archetype. She owns a bar, shows initiative, and kicks ass from the front line. Instead of waiting to be rescued from the villain's stronghold, she instead saves the protagonist by entering his subconscious and helping him develop his own identity.

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