Nintendo 2DS

[comma]

A nice piece on what I found obnoxious about Nintendo's messaging: Opinion: With the 2DS, Nintendo is fixing the wrong problem | Polygon

[Vyk]

That made my brain hurt. Who are the idiots that ask that reviewer those questions? Why can't I play 360 games on my Original Xbox? Is essentially what they're asking. Why can't I play blu-ray on my DVD player? These people may not be dumb, but they are EXTREMELY ignorant of the technology at hand. I don't think Nintendo's naming agenda is a large problem for the vast majority of real gamers, or even most casual gamers. The only people I know who ask questions like that are of the elderly range, or have yet to acquire their fist zit. Anyone with regular adult intelligence who actively plays a modest amount of games, or follows the industry to any degree should know a lot of these answers already x_x

[Mirage]

Yeah, I don't think even my mother would have problems understanding that stuff.

I mean you could easily make an analogy between say, consoles and VCRs being replaced by DVD players, and how some DVD players also had VCR players in the same box.

[Rantz]

I'm a little sceptical but I can see the niche for this one. My knee-jerk reaction was that it must be a joke, but more child friendly and cheaper - definitely marketable on those two points alone. As for whether I'd get one for myself, maybe. I can actually see some potential for it having a better grip than the foldable DS, especially for someone with large hands like me, but I'd have to try one out first. It could naturally be a very bad fit, too. The price is a big plus for me, though, and I hardly care about the 3D at all.

[Bolivar]

They know Nintendo fans are a passionate bunch and there's been plenty ammunition to get them worked up lately, but sites like Polygon and Kotaku have shown they're willing to scrape the bottom of the logical barrel to get those clicks and comments.

[comma]

They know Nintendo fans are a passionate bunch and there's been plenty ammunition to get them worked up lately, but sites like Polygon and Kotaku have shown they're willing to scrape the bottom of the logical barrel to get those clicks and comments.

Wow, what are you talking about? They reported on the news, and then they had someone contribute an opinion that it's solving the wrong problem, and another person contributed an opinion that Nintendo really knows their demographic. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel of things to complain about media sites doing.

[Skyblade]

Yeah, I don't think even my mother would have problems understanding that stuff.

I mean you could easily make an analogy between say, consoles and VCRs being replaced by DVD players, and how some DVD players also had VCR players in the same box.

DVD versus BluRay is probably a better comparison, but you're right.

This is a ridiculous complaint. I don't know of anyone, even a non-gamer, who would have any difficulty understanding what it within a few seconds of actually looking at the product. Especially since, as the article points out, all the later systems are backwards compatible. Even if people didn't know the details of it, they wouldn't care, because their new system would play all the games they want, and if they had an older system, it would take about two seconds to tell them that a later version came out. The details and naming are utterly irrelevant.

[Bolivar]

Wow, what are you talking about? They reported on the news, and then they had someone contribute an opinion that it's solving the wrong problem, and another person contributed an opinion that Nintendo really knows their demographic. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel of things to complain about media sites doing.

The only person who isn't pointing out the ridiculousness that article is you. Even if it rested on firmer grounds, I don't think dissecting marketing and corporate messaging is a productive exercise of a credible journalist.

Polygon has quite the track record for thinly-veiled attempts at flamebaiting, as do its founders. Stuff like this is why people put quotation marks around video game "journalism" and it's probably a big reason why the medium still isn't widely appreciated as a meaningful art form.

[comma]

The only person who isn't pointing out the ridiculousness that article is you. Even if it rested on firmer grounds, I don't think dissecting marketing and corporate messaging is a productive exercise of a credible journalist.

Wow, you are really anti-critical-thinking, huh? I thought maybe people actually wanted to discuss a couple aspects of this news, which is why I made a thread. But if you don't like thinking and talking about things, why are you here?

EDIT: This is a great example of how not to respond to people in a discussion. Keep those opinions to yourself. -Murder

Polygon has quite the track record for thinly-veiled attempts at flamebaiting, as do its founders.

Give me some examples and we'll discuss whether they're flamebaiting or critical analysis.

Stuff like this is why people put quotation marks around video game "journalism" and it's probably a big reason why the medium still isn't widely appreciated as a meaningful art form.

Um, stuff like this is what elevates video game journalism from simply reporting the news, which is the lowest form of journalism. Actual investigative reporting requires thoughtful questions and an analysis of the events in context. This is what separates something like CNBC, which mostly only reports on the news, from something like the New York Times, which looks deeper into issues.

[Bolivar]

Comma I apologize for offending you but I am here to talk about games. I don't judge a console based on the cohesiveness of its business strategy or how many units it sold. I value a console based on whether or not it has a solid library and decent features. For example, I already gave my thoughts on why the 3DS is coming into its own and what makes it a solid device I use every day.

That's why I have to roll my eyes when game "journalists" like to talk about messaging, marketing, and hype. And Vyk, Skyblade and Mirage already summed it up better than I could: that article is a joke (I hope you didn't write it). With an argument as incredulous as that, how could I possibly think it was written for any reason other than to energize passionate Nintendo fans? That article isn't investigation or critical thinking; it's a substandard writer's unproductive rant supported by examples that he very obviously made up. And I've seen a pattern of this at Polygon. When a site sends "moderators" to argue against anyone who points out flaws in an article you know something's wrong.

If you want to talk more about game journalism you can pm me or start a new thread, its a topic I'm really interested in. I might make one after work...

[Vyk]

Upon reflection, I have gotten the impression that the "journalist" is trying to rationalize the 2DS as the next stage in Nintendo's handheld family. GB > GBC > GBA > DS > 3DS( > 2DS?). Like developers are all of a sudden just going to start making 2DS games because that's the new console. They seem to be completely missing the point. The 2DS is merely an alternative for the 3DS. No different than the XL is in that regard. Its the same as the DSi compared to the DS (albeit a step backwards rather than forward). But the point is, developers will still be making 3DS games. For the 3DS. Which the 2DS will simply be capable of playing as well. Nothing more. Its not an evolution. Just an option

[Del Murder]

Then obviously they should have called it the '3DS 2D'. Or '2D3DS'. Or 'GameBoy Regress'.

[Agent Proto]

I don't see how the 2DS is a step backward. Is it because it can't play 3D when a good majority of gamers hardly use the 3D function on the 3DS in the first place?

[Formalhaut]

It'll sell for definite, but I just can't shake a ill feeling about all of this. Maybe I'm just very, very underwhelmed. But I don't know, we'll have to see.

EDIT: I suppose it is evidence of the relative failure of the 3DS. The fact that Nintendo had to create an entire new console (technically speaking) to remove a feature that they probably spend lots of money developing, it sort of speaks volumes to me. The 3DS feature was the main feature and upgrade from the previous generation of Nintendo Handhelds. That much is true. The clue is in the title. The 3D feature however, which again, took money to develop I'm sure, is underutilised by both the games and people. Now they've spent money to now remove it. It's... troubling. It's a turnabout to be sure, a doubling back.

The question is now whether this new alternative will sell enough to recoup any costs incurred.

[krissy]

ok so im gonna buy a used 3ds for 50 bux
and turn off the 3d
and then i be like
ecological and sheize