Should FFXV remain FFVersusXIII?

[Noctis Caelum]

You know what's fascinating? Every single one of these bigots have claimed that the XIII series has been terrible in this video, and yet, when you simply look at the ratings on GameTrailers... they tell a different story.

FF XIII: 8.6 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]
FF XIII-2: 8.8 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]

Nice job going against what you guys rated them before. You're just going back on it and listening to what fans have said. Similar to how Mass Effect 3 was critically received by all critics until the gamer audience experienced the ending. Then everybody and their dog started calling it awful.

Have some mothersmurfing backbone and stand to what you call a game GREAT. Or is 8.6/8.8 "GARBAGE" nowadays?

smurfing morons.

[Mercen-X]

Are you sure those ratings didn't come before they played the game?

I want to play Final Fantasy versus XIII. I just want the title to make sense toward the story. I want to play agito XIII. I kind of wish they had released Type-0 as a console main title. Then versus would be XVI instead of XV. Then again, I also still despise Squee for having MMOs as main titles.

Soup is a food. Not sure what restaurants you're eating at where you get served drinks as your first course. In a bowl. To be consumed with utensils.

Some people mistake the broth for soup. Since broth has no chewable properties, it could be more greatly associated with drink. However, it would not be very refreshing. Drink is supposed to refresh the body (keep it hydrated), food nourishes it, giving the stomach something to wrestle with and providing energy.

[maybee]

You know what's fascinating? Every single one of these bigots have claimed that the XIII series has been terrible in this video, and yet, when you simply look at the ratings on GameTrailers... they tell a different story.

FF XIII: 8.6 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]
FF XIII-2: 8.8 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]

Nice job going against what you guys rated them before. You're just going back on it and listening to what fans have said. Similar to how Mass Effect 3 was critically received by all critics until the gamer audience experienced the ending. Then everybody and their dog started calling it awful.

Have some mothersmurfing backbone and stand to what you call a game GREAT. Or is 8.6/8.8 "GARBAGE" nowadays?

smurfing morons.

Yeah that's a pet-peeve of mine too, it seems like they're just jumping on a Bandwagon. Most folks think that FF 13 is terrible, so we'll jump on that to gain/ keep viewers.

[Ayen]

I thought XIII was a bad game before thinking XIII was a bad game was cool.

-bad game hipster-

[Sephiroth]

I thought XIII was a bad game before thinking XIII was a bad game was cool.

-bad game hipster-

Considering I read a Thread about Final Fantasy XIII being "linear as a piece of string" in 2009 most likely not.

Ugh ... all that negative energy. What a pity.

[Ayen]

I thought XIII was a bad game before thinking XIII was a bad game was cool.

-bad game hipster-

Considering I read a Thread about Final Fantasy XIII being "linear as a piece of string" in 2009 most likely not.

2009? It didn't even come over to America until 2010.

[Sephiroth]

2009? It didn't even come over to America until 2010.

I don't know what you want to say. It came out in 2009 in Japan, when I bought it as well, and has been criticized since then. America is not the measure of all things and Japanese people, American people, European people, et cetera can criticize even before an English version is released.

[Ayen]

2009? It didn't even come over to America until 2010.

I don't know what you want to say. It came out in 2009 in Japan, when I bought it as well, and has been criticized since then. America is not the measure of all things.

And to my knowledge the complaints didn't come until it was released internationally because it was much better received in Japan overall. Never once did I claim American to be the measure of all things.

I was making a joke because I hated it before I even knew that I was in the majority. I don't know what your deal is.

[Sephiroth]

And to my knowledge the complaints didn't come until it was released internationally because it was much better received in Japan overall. Never once did I claim American to be the measure of all things.

I was making a joke because I hated it before I even knew that I was in the majority. I don't know what your deal is.

I edited the post, maybe you didn't see it.

No complaints is not a knowledge thing. I have both native speakers as friends as well as a thread I have already mentioned. And both were about criticizing Final Fantasy XIII early. In fact the thread I am talking about - or the posts, as the thread itself is older - was hot topic a few days after the Japanese release. I discussed with German players at that time since they already complained about "Final Fantasy XIII being as linear as a piece of string" as several sites said. I even searched for the German thread, it still exists.

The problem is, you said, you hated it before it was a thing. However, it was a thing as mentioned - I was in shock at that time as I was waiting for it and have played the Trial version before so I was part of that debate. Now you say "before you knew" but that is not the same.

I am just clarifying things. There is no bad intention.

XIII and Type-0 aren't related to each other any more than XIII is related to any other game in the series.

No, when they are canon to each other with the same universe and myth it is a total difference. And after Lightning Returns you will think different anyway.

EDIT@Skyblade: They are very well canon to each other. Parts of the myth explained differently does not make them non-canon. The plan was to give them one myth and one universe but no further connection, just some elements as with VII and X. Gaia and Spira are alsonot the same planet. And and essential crystal is very important as we can see in Lightning Returns. Fans need to learn that other perspectives or even contradictions do not make things non-canon. Fans cannot decide. Things are non-canon when a company says they are. Even Final Fantasy VII and X have differences between the concept and they are absolutely canon and have the same universe. It is the idea of canonicity between games without to much explained connection. Same goes for Gilgamesh who officially travels through dimensions, which are partly canonical to each other, partly not canonical to each other.

It is a pretty undefined canon like it was said that the substance of lifestream and pyreflies are the same what could be for Final Fantasy VII and X but not what actually happened to lead from on to another. Otherwise Cetra and JENOVA would have needed to be written into that and they weren't. Canon does not automatically mean fully with all thoughts about it to make all fitting - even if this would be the best, of course. Final Fantasy XIII is even canon to our universe without spoilering.

When you go for an absolute canon then nothing is canon as in connected, counting and free from mistakes and variety to each other ever. But this is not what is meant to be and this is not what a company looks at all the time when they make things canonical - partly for sure, of course. Things are canonical when the owner wants it to be. Things often are just left out or vary a bit.

[Jinx]

ToriJ is just saying that he didn't like the game before he knew it was being criticized and that other people's criticism had nothing to do with his own opinion of the game. I don't understand why that bothers you.

[Noctis Caelum]

Are you sure those ratings didn't come before they played the game?

Watching the video review, they obviously played it beforehand, because they're no where near as brutal as they are in the video on the original post of this thread. And anyway, who in their right minds writes or records a review without playing it? That would make them even stupider.

But I digress. I'm actually just starting to play XIII, and I might be in the majority but I'm loving it. I don't particularly care that it's linear. Or that the story is a little wish-washy. The gameplay is still extremely fun and keeps me wanting more. Nothing really to hate there, at least for me.

Back to the topic at hand, I feel that XV is worth being branched away from XIII rather than being categorized with that series. Versus XIII is indeed a stupid name, especially when you factor in that there are already several games with the XIII brand. It's already murdered and abused roman numerals, so the change to XV was much needed.

XV is also the game I'm waiting to come out before I invest in the terrible "next-gen" consoles.

[Mirage]

You know what's fascinating? Every single one of these bigots have claimed that the XIII series has been terrible in this video, and yet, when you simply look at the ratings on GameTrailers... they tell a different story.

FF XIII: 8.6 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]
FF XIII-2: 8.8 [EDITOR'S CHOICE]

Nice job going against what you guys rated them before. You're just going back on it and listening to what fans have said. Similar to how Mass Effect 3 was critically received by all critics until the gamer audience experienced the ending. Then everybody and their dog started calling it awful.

Have some mothersmurfing backbone and stand to what you call a game GREAT. Or is 8.6/8.8 "GARBAGE" nowadays?

smurfing morons.

Actually it is. Game scores are extremely inflated, and on many gaming sites, sub-7 scores do longer exist. That leaves us with 7 being bad, 8 being sort of ok, 9 being good enough and 10 being "actually good/great".

Personally I think FF13 is pretty boring outside of combat, and even combat had some glaring flaws. FF13-2 solved most of the combat issues and I think that is a really fun game to play, as long as you leave the story out of it.

[maybee]

America is not the measure of all things and Japanese people, American people, European people, et cetera can criticize even before an English version is released.

I understand what you mean

But I get what ToriJ means too

I personally remember criticizing before it was released, as people were starting to panic over the very linear maps. They were right to panic

[Skyblade]

Honestly, at the end of the day, the title isn't that important to me, but as far as I'm concerned, Versus XIII would have been better, because despite the name change to XV, it's still very much a XIII game, as it's still part of the Fabula Nova Crystalis subfranchise and shares the same mythos. It has l'cie, Fal'cie, the same deities like Etro, etc...all things exclusive to the XIII universe.

So yes, it should remain "Versus XIII", or "Something XIII" at least, in my opinion.

As one of the few people on EoFF who has actually played a Fabula Nova Crystalis game besides XIII and XIII-2, I feel pretty comfortable telling you that you are wrong.

XIII and Type-0 aren't related to each other any more than XIII is related to any other game in the series. There are some shared themes and terminology, sure, but that is the case with every game in the series. The worlds, concepts, themes, and even the mechanics of the shared concepts are vastly different. The concepts are simply a new addition to the already heavy terminology of the Final Fantasy series as a whole, there is absolutely no reason to separate them into their own subseries.

Versus XIII seems the same way. It doesn't share much in common with XIII. It shares a few terms and concepts, and that's all.

[Skyblade]

XIII and Type-0 aren't related to each other any more than XIII is related to any other game in the series.

No, when they are canon to each other with the same universe and myth it is a total difference. And after Lightning Returns you will think different anyway.

Sorry for the double post, but I had missed this response, and I want to address it.

They aren't canon to each other. Nor are they in the same universe. They have the shared mythology of the l'Cie and fal'Cie, and that's about it.

Heck, if Final Fantasy Type-0 is any indication, even that is handled extremely different, as the l'Cie in that game were empowered and directed by the crystals, not fal'Cie (they may turn out to be Fal'Cie later, but there are far fewer of them, and they are treated far differently by the populace, so it has a completely different impact on the world building), and were additionally indicated to have less free will than the l'Cie of XIII. The war between Milites and Suzaku was heavily defined by the actions of Milites's l'Cie. The powers of the l'Cie in Type-0 were tied to the powers of the crystal, so Milites's l'Cie were weapon and tech experts, and they created and operated the Crystal Jammer which we all remember from the opening cinematic where Bahamut gets smacked down by it (since it negates most magic, including summons). However, since they operate at the behest of the crystal, not the military, the l'Cie don't press the attack with the rest of the army, which gives Suzaku some breathing room to reorganize.

Shared terms or even shared mythology (which, again, it may be, but it handles them completely differently, even when just using the core concepts) does not make for a shared universe, any more than having summons in both FFVII and FFIX means that those games take place in the same universe.