but selena gomez should be a wizard of waverly place forever
oh right literally zero people remember that show
but selena gomez should be a wizard of waverly place forever
oh right literally zero people remember that show
Selena is extra squeaky clean though...
Even though she dated the Biebs for 3 yrs.
and makes songs about the TSA groping her?
I remember that show.Originally Posted by Denmark
Apparently, I have been declared banished.
Throughout this thread, I've neglected to mention Robin Thicke, but now I will say that I hate his "Blurred Lines" song too. It's not just him, though; it's pretty much every man in the music industry acting as sex-crazed, perverted men who love to degrade women. Then again, many women tend to degrade themselves as well. Look at Justin Timberlake, for instance, and his "Sexy Back" song; that's another very perverted song. There are many more examples out there, too many to name, so I'll stop there. And another thing: pretty much all music videos out there are somewhat pornographic, to varying degrees.
Joe Jonas: I first tried marijuana with Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato - NY Daily News
In a recent interview with NY Magazine, Joe Jonas discussed his days with Disney as a Jonas Brother in a controversial essay. He revealed that Demi Lovato and Miley Cyrus convinced him to try drugs and alcohol, both putting peer pressure on him, when he was just 17-18, that he lost his virginity at 20, and that on his 21st birthday, he fell down a flight of stairs because he was so drunk. He also stated that when the Vanessa Hudgens nude scandal broke out, Disney kept her on lockdown for a whole day.
Demi Lovato backs Joe Jonas amid controversial New York magazine essay: 'Love you brother' - NY Daily News
Demi Lovato responded with support, but her sister criticized him for it, and another Disney alum, Dylan Sprouse, who starred in The Suite Life of Zack and Cody with his brother Cole, was also a bit more harsh in his criticism, calling him "foolish" and a "bad artist."
Demi Lovato reveals her ?deep and dark? struggles with substance abuse, eating disorder - NY Daily News
Demi Lovato also revealed her dark struggles during her relationship with Joe Jonas, and during their 2010 tour, she punched a backup dancer, and also had struggles with drugs, and even smuggled drugs with her on the plane whenever she took a flight, hiding in the bathroom to do it. She also noted that many stars today, including Miley Cyrus, do not care about the impressions that their wild antics leave on their young fans, and she, Lovato, also used to have that view as her excuse to do whatever she wanted, but after hitting rock bottom in 2010, she realized that this was not the kind of life that she wanted, as well as that because she is in the public eye, she did not want other going down the path she was going at that time, so she turned her life around and changed her ways. (Like I said earlier, whenever a celebrity does bad things, it drags us all down as a society, even if they do not have a personal connection to us.) She is in the process of writing a tell-all memoir of her struggles.
Apparently, whenever Joe, Demi, and Miley did drugs, they never seemed to do it in the presence of Kevin and Nick Jonas or Selena Gomez, the latter of whom visited Demi in rehab only after she learned about it.
In addition to the two Camp Rock movies, Demi Lovato also starred as Sonny Monroe, the lead character in the Disney Channel Original Series Sonny with a Chance, for two seasons. After she departed to go to rehab, the show managed to continue in the form of So Random!, the former show-within-a-show that was featured within Sonny with a Chance, which lasted for only one season.
Selena Gomez seemed to be with Disney the longest; she starred as Alex Russo, the lead character, in Wizards of Waverly Place, from 2008-2012; she was 16 when the show began, and 20 when the show ended, and in 2013, she and Disney released a special TV movie named The Wizards Return: Alex vs Alex, in which she has to stop her "dark half" from carrying out a villainous scheme. During the period from 2010 to 2012, she also dated Justin Bieber, who also interacted with Miley Cyrus (he did not meet Demi Lovato because she was in rehab at that time), though she officially dumped him in late 2012-early 2013.
Let me make one thing clear right now: I never said that Miley should be Hannah Montana forever (heh, that's quite a pun right there), but still, she should be more conscious of what her fans think of her.
However, I also think it is possible to bring Hannah Montana back for a 10th anniversary special in 2016, without the involvement of Miley Cyrus or her father. It would involve the use of photo-realistic computer-generated imagery and the casting of a voice actress that can imitate Miley Cyrus. What do you think of this idea?
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Is that your final answer?
I think you should let it go.
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
Don't tell her dad...her achy breaky dad.
I just don't think he'd understand.
No it doesn't.
Why wouldn't a 10th anniversary special be a good thing? I think it that would presumably be titled Hannah Montana Returns: The Movie, and it would involve Miley Stewart rediscovering her Hannah Montana alter ego and reviving it, while also addressing the issue of Miley Cyrus' new wild image, and rejecting it, telling children not to go down the path that Cyrus is heading now. It would also feature darker sociological themes, including the corruption of the music industry and business, as well as how it connects to Main Street, especially since so many recording artists today tend to flash their "bling-bling" and other extravagant materialistic possessions; this trend, formally referred to as conspicuous consumption (a term coined by sociologist Thorstein Veblen, which I recently learned about in a sociological theory class), is what Lorde dissed in her "Royals" song, which I also made a thread about. Miley Stewart/Hannah Montana should also try to set the proper example of a role model that Miley Cyrus did not. Of course, then again, the real problem is the culture and the system that basically forces artists to generate controversy in order to sell their records, and this issue should also be addressed in the 10th anniversary special. While they're at it, since Miley Cyrus herself is no longer Hannah Montana, the new voice actress should record new music, and perhaps they can have a number of impressionists perform a series of concerts at Disneyland and Walt Disney World, akin to the Legends in Concert performances, which feature impressionist imitating various legendary performers of the past and present. These Legends in Concert shows can be seen in Las Vegas, Nevada and Atlantic City, New Jersey, among other places.
Legends In Concert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, I think you should watch this documentary:
https://archive.org/details/Dreamworlds3
This documentary, which I recently watched in a gender studies class, is entitled Dreamworlds 3: Desire, Sex, and Power in Music Videos, narrated by sociologist and gender studies scholar Sut Jhally, and explores the pornographic nature of music videos. Music videos began in the 1970s, and went mainstream in the 1980s, which became increasingly provocative over time, with some music videos even getting banned. This documentary reveals and exposes the true pornographic nature of music videos, which contain sex, drugs, alcohol, violence, and greed (especially conspicuous consumption) and depicts these thing in a manner that glorifies them. Many of these videos tend to objectify women in a crude and degrading manner, including raunchy dance moves and extremely skimpy outfits, and both male and female artists tend to do this, featuring several scantily-clad women as backup dancers, both in their music videos and in their live performances. It also depicts men as predators who chase women as their prey, as well as men who abuse women, promoting violence against women in a glorifying manner.
Back in the day, using shock value in music was the exception instead of the norm, but now, it has become the new norm, and I've began to realize that much of society has been desensitized to the raunchy content in these music videos, including many of you on this forum.
Is that your final answer?
A 10th anniversary special wouldn't be worth it because the children who grew up with Hannah Montana would be 10 years older and not interested in a reunion show of any kind, and the kids of 2016 won't care since they won't know who Hannah Montana is. There is zero reason for Disney to fund something like that.
Mmmmkay. You're off your rocker. Officially. I'm calling it.
Have you -not- heard any songs by Lil Wayne, Tupac, Biggie, Timbaland, Britney Spears, Madonna, Nicki Minaj, Drake, or GINUWINE!? Or perhaps the Thong Song or Ignition & Feelin' On Yo Booty by R. Kelly ? I can spout off plenty other artists who sing suggestive lyrics. It's part of Life. Deal.
I find absolutely nothing wrong with "Blurred Lines" or "Sexy Back".. Not when you compare "Pony" or "Lollipop" to them.
The solution to the problem is simple: if you don't like it, don't listen or watch. Miley's everywhere you say? No one's telling you to leave the radio on that station or the t.v. on that channel. It's just as easy to change it or not watch at all.
You may hate Miley and all these other artists, but you're giving them exactly what they want. They've contrived these shock value images & songs for this exact reason... And you're allowing yourself to play into it.
And I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that these artists aren't total brainwashed idiots. They have a pretty big say in their image/look and what they do and don't want in their lyrics. If they don't like something, they don't -have- to do it. P!NK broke out of the mold L.A. Reid tried to fit her into. It worked and L.A. Reid apologized. Every special I've seen on different pop stars: Miley, Britney, Katy, Ke$ha- everything they do show & song wise, they've done on purpose. At no point do they say "My managers forced me to do this.".
Seriously, it's time to hang it up and let it go.
I have in fact heard a number of songs by some of the artists you've mentioned, and I think it's going too far now. Since the 1960s, lyrics got increasingly suggestive over time, but once we entered the new millennium, it really took off, and look where we are now. And it's both male AND female artists who do this. I'm okay with some suggestive lyrics (some are more suggestive than others), but now I think it's going too far.
And another thing: why do these big-name record companies even allow these kinds of lyrics, in addition to their odd and bad behavior, in the first place?!
Is that your final answer?
The record companies don't control the artists or their behaviors. As for why they "allow" the material - I would guess because they think it will be profitable for them.
As for the progression of suggestive material over the years - society in general has grown progressively more apathetic and toward censorship. It's not just that the media has become more racy; overall we're a lot more tolerant. I don't think that's a bad thing. If someone wants to make a racy and suggestive song, let them. They'll face whatever societal consequences needed depending on the content.
Why are you so interested in banning suggestive content?
in terms of behavior of famous people, while i understand that everyone has free will or whatever, you have to consider that these kids are raised in environments that encourage this sort of behavior, and are bombarded with media's ideas about body image/self-respect/behavior image so close to where they sleep (and without the safety of a glass screen to protect them from said ideas) that 'degrading yourself' is expected and 'the plan'
im pretty sure britney or miley never had self-respect classes as 16 year olds
or classes on women's issues, or black history
media ethics
it'd be hard to fit that in between the bare-minimum math and english alongside all the dance prep they needed before their next live show
and since you want to impress your record label daddies you just spiral
i think you're not wrong in saying that there are bigger societal problems on display here, but im not sure that trying to trim the leaves will help. we really need to figure out why the roots are causing the branches to be as frail as they are.
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