Pokémon X&Y post-launch discussion thread - AKA Jinx is Upset

[Ultima Shadow]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, I just got myself a 3DS and Pokemon X.

Started playing like half a second ago, so I'll go back to playing now and add the friend code and stuff later.

[Del Murder]

I really love how every zone has pretty much all new pokemon to catch. None of this pidgey or ratata in every area bull crap.

[Ultima Shadow]

Friend code: 0662 - 3970 - 8557



Beat first gym, then went and spent like 1 hour experimenting with the 10 second trainer video.

[Nicolas]

Friend code: 0662 - 3970 - 8557



Beat first gym, then went and spent like 1 hour experimenting with the 10 second trainer video.

I added yah. I'll add you to the list in a few hours.

EDIT: The FSZ List has been updated for all the new couple of people. And, like Tas said earlier in the thread, all you have to do to get the third pokemon is to beat the elite four, don't forget to save, and make sure you're online at the same time as the other people. In some cases, that might mean leaving the system on all day. ;p

[Del Murder]

How do I get my code? I forget.

[Agent Proto]

Check the Friend List in the Home Menu of your 3DS. That's the smiling box icon in the top middle of the touch screen.

[comma]

Friend code: 0662 - 3970 - 8557



Beat first gym, then went and spent like 1 hour experimenting with the 10 second trainer video.

Added.

4828-5126-8749

[Skyblade]

Friend code: 0662 - 3970 - 8557



Beat first gym, then went and spent like 1 hour experimenting with the 10 second trainer video.

Added, and it seems you already added mine, so I won't bother to reiterate.

I did wind up resetting Xerneas. The speed is just too much of a loss, as awesome as the IVs are. Stupid GameFreak. I finally found one I'm happy enough with, even if it isn't nearly as perfect.

Currently exploring Route 21 and collecting more Pokémon before I go back to get the final badge.

I also need to decide on my final team. Greninja is going to make it, he stays with me through endgame. But I'm not sure who else. I don't think I'll be taking my other starter. As awesome as they are, I'm holding off on working them up to perfection until I can get them from the Friend Safari (which will let me catch them with Hidden Abilities, better stats, and a Luxury Ball). So I'm having to decide who to take.

I love this game's approach to catching Pokémon. The three-part Pokédex is great, as each one is a full region Pokédex on its own. I only wish they had gone farther. While a National Pokédex to keep track of them all is definitely desired, I wish they added in a few more local sections that each tracked another 150, as I really love that smaller breakdown and filling up the Central/Coastal/Mountain Pokédex.

This is also the first game in the series where I feel that "Catch 'em all" has a point. In every other Generation, most of those poor critters just sit in my PC and collect dust. But with the absolutely absurd leveling rate for the whole team thanks to Exp. Share, I wind up switching up my team more than I ever had. I try new Pokémon and new combinations, I look at new moves, and I play with teams I would normally never bother with.

Sky Battles, oddly enough, also help with this. Having to pull in a Flyer or Levitator that I haven't used a ton makes those some of the toughest Trainer Battles in the game, as my party rarely has a consistent Sky Battler who can just power through everything.

The difficulty may still be too easy, or require to much player management in order to make it challenging (why did they not give us Challenge Mode?!), but the variety and the fun that comes from it makes up for that, in my opinion.

Final Team I'm planning so far:

Greninja
Absol
Noivern
Goodra
Lucario
Xerneas (not going to use it, but I want to enter it into the Hall of Fame)

I'm still debating an Espeon though. I can't get a perfect Espeon until I can get access to a Safari Friend Zone Eevee, but Espeon is still my favorite Pokémon in the game, and I can breed it to near perfect stats thanks to my Lucario. Hmm...

[Ultima Shadow]

Shortly after beating the second gym, I catch a random Honedge with 2 x 31 stats.

About 4 hours later, I have a Honedge with 31 HP, 29-31 Attack, 30-31 Defense and 31 SpDef. Speed and SpAttack were lacking, but it doesn't need those stats anyway.

...oh, right, and... Adamant nature too. I love how breeding works now. And my luck.

[Skyblade]

Shortly after beating the second gym, I catch a random Honedge with 2 x 31 stats.

About 4 hours later, I have a Honedge with 31 HP, 29-31 Attack, 30-31 Defense and 31 SpDef. Speed and SpAttack were lacking, but it doesn't need those stats anyway.

...oh, right, and... Adamant nature too. I love how breeding works now. And my luck.

Currently, I have a Modest Lucario with 31/31/31/31/27/31.

I've also currently got a 31/x/31/31/31/31 Modest Chimecho that I'm breeding with my female Ralts in order to pick up the beast that will be my Gardevoir.

The Undiscovered Egg Group Glitch makes breeding far easier than even the Destiny Knot trick alone does. Any Baby Pokémon you catch will have three stats at 31. This means that Riolu, Chingling, Smoochum, Mime Jr., Budew, and Azurill, and Togepi (who is only available from Friend Safari) will already have at least three max stats. These then evolve into Lucario, Chimecho, Jynx, Mr. Mime, Roselia, Marill, and Togetic.

Which is awesome, because their evolved forms are members of different Egg Groups than their baby forms (the Undiscovered Group can't breed). So I'll summarize which Egg Groups and notable Pokémon are available from which baby (I'm leaving out a couple, notably Mr. Mime and Jynx, since they're members of groups that are already fully covered by others).

Egg Group Breeding Coverage for Evolved Baby Pokémon

A male Lucario covers the Field and Human-Like Egg Groups, allowing you to breed across stats for (among many others) Eevee, Cyndaquil, Torchic, Electrike, Houndour, Absol, Tepig, Oshawott, Zorua, Chespin, Fennekin, Abra, Meditite, Chimchar, Mawile, Mareep, Piplup, Snivy, Farfetch'd, and Ekans (and all of their evolutions). All those great Pokémon, starters, or Pokémon with Mega-Evolutions, just from Lucario. Is there any surprise that I bred him up to be awesome first?

Chimecho becomes the Amorphous Egg Group, which lets its stats spread to Pokémon like Gastly, Ralts, Wobuffet, Litwick, and Solosis. Nowhere near as diverse, but still completely worth it for those Gengar, Gardevoirs, and Gallades.

Roselia is a member of the Fairy and Grass Egg Groups, which lets it breed with such Pokémon as Bulbasaur, Paras, Chikorita, Turtwig, Snover, Ferroseed, and Chansey.

Marill is Water 1 and Fairy, giving it breeding compatibility with Froakie, Squirtle, Dratini, Totodile, Mudkip, Corphish, and Inkay.

Togetic covers the Flying Egg Group, and is breedable with Aerodactyl, Fletchling, and Noibat.

Unfortunately, these are the only Egg Groups directly covered by the evolved Babies. However, since most Egg Groups have members who share other Egg Groups, with cross-breeding, you can spread the stats to any of them.

Ferroseed can spread stats to the Mineral Egg Group, in addition to the Grass Group it shares with Roselia, letting you spread stats to Honedge (some other good Pokémon in here, but they are genderless, and require a Ditto).

Bulbasaur can spread stats to the Monster Group in addition to the Grass Group, covering Charmander, Larvitar, Cubone, Gible, Aron, Amaura, and Tyrunt.

Paras covers the Bug Egg Group, allowing you to spread stats to Scyther, Pineco, Heracross, Trapinch, Scolipede, and Larvesta.

Inkay can spread stats from Water 1 to Water 2, though this doesn't really bring in any really good Pokémon, unfortunately.

Corphish spreads from Water 1 to Water 3. Still not many great Pokémon there, though. Shellder, Lileep, and Anorith are probably the best.

Ekans can spread stats from the Field Egg Group to the Dragon Egg Group, giving you access to Goomy, Bagon, and Deino. Charmander can also serve this role if you've bred up a good one from Bulbasaur.

Finally, if you don't have access to Togepi, you can spread stats to the Flying Egg Group by breeding up an awesome male Farfetch'd with your Lucario.



Also, it might be worth noting that the Breeding RNG is now exploitable, and can be used to guarantee which stats will be inherited by the child Pokémon, and from which parents.

The game essentially has a seed list that determines which parent passes on which stat when inheriting 5 stats with the Destiny Knot. This list is saved, regardless of the parents, and can be manipulated for your ease of breeding.

Breeding RNG Guide

Ok, to start with, you'll need two parents which you know the IVs of. Use Psypoke's or Metalkid's IV calculators to figure out the IVs of your parents. Make sure that they have different IVs for each stat (for example, you don't want both parents to have 31 in Attack). In fact, the bigger the differences, the better, but the only critical part is that they're different.

Deposit your chosen parents into the Day Care (with the Destiny Knot). Run about and wait until an Egg is produced. When speaking to the guy who gives you the Egg, say that You Do Not Want It. As soon as you reject the egg, save your game.

Now, generate a new Egg, and this time, pick it up and hatch it. Determine its IVs: Use the same IV calculators, and if you need to level it up some, Exp. Share and the Battle Chateau's Audinos are easy ways to do that (and, so you can track, KOing one Audino gives 2 HP EVs). Once you know that, compare its IVs to those of its parents.

This will tell you which stat the child inherited from which parent. Once you've determined which stat came from which parent, and which of the 6 stats was not inherited, you're set and don't need that baby anymore, so go ahead and reload the game.

The inheritance order will be saved, even if you change the parents. So swap out to two parents who you know have the correct IVs. For example, if the child you checked before got Attack, Defense, and Speed from the father, while getting HP and Special Defense from the mother, then switch out for a male Pokémon with 31 in Attack, Defense, and Speed, and a compatible female Pokémon with 31 in HP and Special Defense. Congratulations, the next Egg they produce will have 31/31/31/x/31/31, perfect stats for any physical attack based Pokémon, whether a sweeper or a wall, and a great Pokémon to set up breeding with any other partner in the Egg Group.


EDIT: I was heading back to the Pokémon Village to get Psychic now that I've picked up Waterfall. While going through the Winding Woods, I was ambushed by a female Zoroark. Without my False Swiper, pretty much any Pokémon, including my HM Slaves, would probably OHKO it. But, since I wasn't going to give up on that lovely little critter, I had to catch it anyway. Fortunately, about two minutes prior, I had maxed my Luxury Ball count up to 999 (catching an uninjured Pokémon rarely takes more than 50). So I settle in for the long hall, and chuck one out.

Wobble wobble wobble...click! Not even a critical capture, but I have a lovely new Zoroark that I can breed with (after the two hours I spent hunting one down yesterday, all for a random one to stumble across me). Zoroark is also a Field Egg Group member that my Lucario can breed with.

[Tasura]

Thanks to Nico catching his Articuno (And reminding me that Soutland existed) I am finally done Y until the bank goes live.

[Del Murder]

My friend code is: 0576-4435-9881. Everyone please add me!

[Skyblade]

My friend code is: 0576-4435-9881. Everyone please add me!

Added you. My codes:
1547-6378-0895
0490-5832-0785

[Endless]

Friend code: 0662 - 3970 - 8557

Added you and Del Mordor.

[Jinx]

I'm offended by the title change of this thread.