Pokémon X&Y post-launch discussion thread - AKA Jinx is Upset

[Ultima Shadow]

Just let me know if you only want to be alerted to specific Pokémon or zone types, as there are liable to be a lot of duplicates as I go through them all.

A Sableye with Prankster is one of the few pokemons that I'm still missing and would really love to have.

In other news, I finally finished farming all the berries that fall from trees in battle. I am willing to spare anyone else the trouble.

Do you happen to have the anti-fire and/or anti-ground berries? And/or Lum Berries (still haven't found those)?

Despite having 7 boxes full of WT Pokemon, I have yet to get one infected with Pokerus. Anyone have one they'd be willing to throw my way?

I do have a few infected ones saved in one of my boxes, so I could give you one. Just set up a trade whenever you see me online or something.


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"Ahhhhh! Finally done with my team!
Heck yeah! Ready to battle at any time"
"Tch. I still got a bit to go.












"Hah! You call that a team? You useless poken00b!
Like... do you even breed? Your team has five bloody
pokemons with Sword Dance and four steel types!
Your special defenses are weaker than paper! See,
this is why you always lose. Your barbaric strategies
consist of nothing but misreable attempts at freaking
Sword Dance sweeps. When the opponent puts a stop
to your setup attempts, your only countermeasure is to
pray that the opponent will miss and that you will crit a lot."












"Oh yeah? You're talking big for someone
who doesn't even HAVE a team yet."












"It's not even possible for me to complete
my team yet. I need Whimsicott, who is
impossible to get until the pokebank opens."












"You actually use Whimsicott?"
"That cute, fluffy, adorable thing?"












"Adorable? You blind fools! Know you not that
Whimsicott is the pokemon equivalent to satan?
Whimsicott is the bringer of endless despair!
The subseed annoyer that will vanquish all
hope and bring you down the spiral of madness!
Just let me finish my Klefki, satan's new son, and
then I'll show you just why the Prankster ability
is a dark cruelty far beyond mortal grasp!"












"No, seriously. Swords Dance all you want.
Those 'adorable' little things are going to
destroy both your team and your sanity."

[Bunny]

Thanks a bunch!

[WildRaubtier]

I have those berries, yes. At the moment I'm just finishing up breeding for the pinch berries, then it's just the last two for making Amaze Mulch. And Starf/Lansat, but those don't count :I

I hope you like Shroomish.

[Endless]

I'm looking for a Gligar with immunity, female if you have that, and stats don't matter.

Also, if one of you has spare quad dittos from my FSZ, I could really use one (or two to have a good spread of IVs).

[Ultima Shadow]

I hope you like Shroomish.

Shroomish is badass. Thanks for the berries!

I'm looking for a Gligar with immunity, female if you have that, and stats don't matter.

Also, if one of you has spare quad dittos from my FSZ, I could really use one (or two to have a good spread of IVs).

I have a single Gligar with Immunity at the moment, but I plan to breed it soon. So if you haven't gotten any by the time I've started breeding Immunity Gligars, I can trade you one.

As for dittos, I only have ones with 2-3 maxed IVs, since I was mainly looking for dittos with useful natures and I haven't been ditto hunting in your safari more than twice. But yeah... I could trade you a couple of 2-3 IV dittos.


Also: holy crap, Imposter Ditto is so awesome. I won a Wi-Fi battle against a pretty good player, where my Ditto took out 5 of his 6 pokemons and left a massive dent in the last one. Imposter Ditto is the one single way to have a Mega evolution holding an actual item. And that can make it so ridiculous sometimes. <3

[Endless]

I have a single Gligar with Immunity at the moment, but I plan to breed it soon. So if you haven't gotten any by the time I've started breeding Immunity Gligars, I can trade you one.

Just caught a male one in fact. I'll try to breed females from it, then it'll be another period of pain to find the right nature (impish) and breed it in. Then the slow process of IV breeding since I have no IV ditto.

As for dittos, I only have ones with 2-3 maxed IVs, since I was mainly looking for dittos with useful natures and I haven't been ditto hunting in your safari more than twice. But yeah... I could trade you a couple of 2-3 IV dittos.:greenie

A duo of threes should cover all the IVs. At any rate, I'm gonna start messaging other ditto fszers on smogon to see if one wants to trade codes so I can finally access one.

Edit: found someone with a ditto fsz, now I can go and catch them myself >.>

[Ultima Shadow]

Edit: found someone with a ditto fsz, now I can go and catch them myself >.>

Ah, alrighty. Nice!

Also: 4 player battles are awesome.

[Denmark]

I started my file over, choosing Chespin/Squirtle this time. And I got an Adamant Squirtle, lovely. (actually not lovely)

I'm using a bunch of different Pokemon that I didn't use in the last playthrough, and actually having Exp. Share on the whole time (I played through most of the game with it off last time). I'm just past Geosenge Town (first visit) and my current team is: Wartortle, Whirlipede, Amaura, Litleo, Golett, Sylveon (my recently-evolved Chesnaught is boxed so the rest can gain experience, since it's several levels higher)

[Skyblade]

I started my file over, choosing Chespin/Squirtle this time. And I got an Adamant Squirtle, lovely. (actually not lovely)

I'm using a bunch of different Pokemon that I didn't use in the last playthrough, and actually having Exp. Share on the whole time (I played through most of the game with it off last time). I'm just past Geosenge Town (first visit) and my current team is: Wartortle, Whirlipede, Amaura, Litleo, Golett, Sylveon (my recently-evolved Chesnaught is boxed so the rest can gain experience, since it's several levels higher)

I have a Wartortle Friend Safari (and a Greninja one too). I can pick you up a Modest via Synchronize if you want.

I have to say, I love the new mechanics in this game. This game has done more to decentralize my Pokémon team than any other game in the series (and it did so in a way that was far more fun than Black and White's "lol, no more Exp. for you"). The availability of so many Pokémon, the Exp. Share boosting team building, and the much easier breeding have made this game a blast to play through, and my teams have wound up spanning multiple boxes, just on a single play through the game.

That said, the endgame is extremely disappointing. I love the new breeding mechanics, and I'm actually enjoying breeding up Egg Moves and good IVs on tons of Pokémon, for one of the first times in the series. That said, there is nothing to use them on.

The ease with which you can breed, EV train, and level to 100 has really imposed on the games a necessity for level 100 content. The Battle Maison is nice, I guess, but mindless duels only take things so far. Platinum had the best endgame I can recall, and I'd like to use it to help define what I'd like to see in Pokémon Z (or whatever games we get going forward, I need a variable for the name, and X is taken):

-1- Gym Leader rematches. The Gym Leader bar was my single favorite location in all of Sinnoh. Having a place where you could not only rematch the Gym Leaders, but see them with real parties, was fantastic. Unfortunately, the Battle Chateau utterly fails at delivering this experience. For one thing, the Gym Leaders are few and far between, and we're mostly fighting random scrubs (who still talk to me like I'm a newbie even though I'm a Grand Duke). What's worse, the Gym Leaders only have two party members, the Elite Four only have three, and even the Champion only has four! That kind of ruins the entire purpose!

They need some way to filter out the lower level trainers as you increase in rank, as well as a way to get some truly high level opponents in there. Even with the Black Writ, you're only looking at 20 extra levels. While that may be okay for the Elite Four and Champion (if you're lucky enough to see them), it's pitiful on the Gym Leaders. I want a Writ that restricts entry to just the special opponents, and boosts their levels to 80 or 100. I'd also like to be able to face Serena/Calem, Tierno, Shauna, and Trevor there, again with full and buffed teams. While we're at it, throw in the Professors: Oak, Rowan, Juniper, Sycamore, Elm, Birch, Krane, and Burnet (we finally got to face Sycamore in this game, why only twice?). And the past Champions.

The atmosphere of the Platinum Leader Lounge was great. It felt like a hangout for the Elite, a place for them to unwind and take a break from their duties, and I'd love to see that expanded upon (and, with Lumiose City's café fixation, it should not have been hard).


-2- Post Game Story Spoiler More missions with Looker. The Looker missions are easily the best part of the story. They're better written, and more engaging, than anything we got in the pathetic main plot. They're also criminally short, and not nearly hard enough. I would love to see our characters, now with the codename and a friend with the International Police, to actually become a wandering crime-fighter, akin to how most of the Champions we've seen in the games actually behave (Lance and Cynthia being the first to who jump to mind).

For one thing, although it might be a bit repetitive after X/Y, let us hunt down the Team Flare scientists. I mean, did they ever get caught? No clue, apart from Xerosic. Let's also explore Malva's connection to Team Flare a bit more. I get the feeling that they deliberately left this stuff open for Pokémon Z, but that won't solve the problem of interesting post-game.


-3- More interesting battle types. I actually like Sky Battles, because they force me to run Pokémon types and quantities that I usually avoid (yeah, Tropius isn't the best Sky Battler with Fly, Rock Smash, Sweet Scent, and Flash). I'd love to see more of those. I'd also like to see a LOT more Inversion Battles. They're a brilliant mechanic, and I'd love to see them being much more common.


-4- New Game+. With Challenge Mode. B2/W2 gave us Challenge Mode to boost the game difficulty. But only after you beat the game, rendering it worthless. I would love to see Challenge Mode return, but tied together with New Game+. The longer the series goes on, the more the reasons to not have this feature fall apart. Pokémon, even event Pokémon and Legendaries, are extremely readily available via the GTS or even just regular play (and you can catch all but one of the Pseudo-Legendaries in tall grass in X/Y). You also have easy access to multiple starters through FSZ and GTS. So restricting us from getting multiples of certain Pokémon just doesn't really make sense. And giving us New Game+ would be brilliant for difficulty. You could make it adjustable, so we could face opponents of varying levels. But it would encourage us to run other teams, and make the game more interesting if you had a serious Challenge Mode run that could pose a threat to teams filled with level 100 Pokémon.



Also, I managed to get two Larvitar off Wonder Trade. One had Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Outrage, and Dragon Dance (pretty much the four best Egg Moves that Larvitar can get), and the other had Iron Head and Iron Tail. So I was able to do some testing with Egg Moves. Unfortunately, you still can't get more than four on a single Pokémon, the extras are just lost, and can't be recovered via Heart Scale. But I do now have several Larvitar with Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Outrage, and Dragon Dance, if anyone wants one. I'm breeding them up with the Pupitars I've gotten from the FSZ, so I have quite a few spitbacks in Luxury Balls.

I also have some Farfetch'd (Modest, unfortunately), Gastly, Riolu, and Absol (Absol has Play Rough and Baton Pass), if you want any of them.

[WildRaubtier]

RE: ABOVE
I foresee Essentia having a lot more depth in Z, yes.

The move relearner considers egg moves to be whatever 4 moves that pokemon had when it hatched - including moves it'd have anyway. I assume the father's moves take preference, but try tinkering with various combinations to see if there's any particular pattern that emerges.

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I'm actually after Zigzagoon that have the pickup ability, right now. I want 6 of them. From anyone here except Locky.

[Skyblade]

"Adorable? You blind fools! Know you not that
Whimsicott is the pokemon equivalent to satan?
Whimsicott is the bringer of endless despair!
The subseed annoyer that will vanquish all
hope and bring you down the spiral of madness!
Just let me finish my Klefki, satan's new son, and
then I'll show you just why the Prankster ability
is a dark cruelty far beyond mortal grasp!"

Yeah, I have to kind of agree with this. Prankster is really annoying. And, just to spoil you're fun, I'm going to reveal one of the more annoying (and easy to use) Klefki sets out there (in my opinion):

Item = Leftovers

Thunder Wave
Swagger
Foul Play
Spikes

This set is based around the first three moves. Thunder Wave paralyzes your foe, and Prankster makes it a Priority move. You then Swagger, sharply boosting your opponent's Attack, and confusing it. Oh, and it is also priority, which really helps ensure that Klefki gets the debilitating moves in before getting hit.

Once your opponent is hit by Paralysis and Confusion, you have some free time. The main strategy is to set up one level of Spikes (again, Spikes is priority), then use Foul Play. Foul Play works off the Attack stat (and Attack modifiers) of your opponent, so you'll be doing a lot higher damage thanks to the Swagger boost. You should wipe out the opponent before they're freed from Confusion (if not, Swagger again. That probably means you're facing a low-attack wall, so survival shouldn't be a problem). When the next opponent is switched in, repeat. Spikes can be set up to three times, and once maxed, it deals 25% damage to all non-flying, non-Levitating Pokémon who switch in.

You can also try to set up three layers first, and just be ready to re-Swagger if confusion breaks (a little bit more effective of a strategy, but riskier). This ensures that Klefki gets its long-term effects in early, as there are few Pokémon that can stop Klefki while under the effects of Para-Fusion. It's just a risk if they do carry an effective stopping tool (or are Electric, and therefore immune to Paralysis).

If you're facing a Physical Electric type, especially one who can carry Fire-based moves, Klefki is going to be pretty vulnerable, so consider switching early, and go back to it later. Otherwise, enjoy the Spikes damage and watching a keyring tear your opponents up with their own Attack stat.

[WildRaubtier]

Is this your strategy?

[Skyblade]

Is this your strategy?

Nope, not mine. It's just the one I've been considering adding to my team. It would get me a secondary hazard setter (currently leading with Tyranitar and Stealth Rocks), and I've seen just how effective it can be. But I'm usually more straightforward than that. However, I could follow Tyranitar with Klefki, since the keyring won't take Sandstorm damage. Between Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Sandstorm, that would be a great passive damage set.

EDIT: Finally realized what you were asking. No, not at all. Personally, I loathe random chance strategies. Mostly because the RNG hates me. A lot. As in, I've seen Air Cutter miss thrice in a row. A 95% accuracy move. I hate running moves with unreliable accuracy (read = anything below 100%), or anything else that is left up to chance, because it means that the RNG will delight in tormenting me. This is actually the cause of one of my biggest disagreements with the competitive community (who would essentially never run Flamethrower if Fire Blast is available). Random chance hates me.

[Ultima Shadow]

Item = Leftovers

Thunder Wave
Swagger
Foul Play
Spikes

This set is based around the first three moves. Thunder Wave paralyzes your foe, and Prankster makes it a Priority move. You then Swagger, sharply boosting your opponent's Attack, and confusing it. Oh, and it is also priority, which really helps ensure that Klefki gets the debilitating moves in before getting hit.

"That is, in fact, pretty much the same
set I'm using. Except I use Substitute
instead of spikes. Entry hazards can
be a pain, but having Klefki hidden
behind a Substitute whenever the
opponent actually manages to get
through the ParaFusion will make
them want to snap their 3DS in half."











"Do you even have fun playing like that?
Don't you ever feel bad for what you put
other people through? What's the point?"











"You do realize that I've done far worse things
than pissing people off in pokemon, right?"
"...lies! There can be no greater
crime than ruining my pokefun."

[Hollycat]

Pokemon Y will be on sale tomorrow at Toys R Us for $20. Go to their website, click weekly ad, then on the next page click the button for Friday- Saturday. If you print out the 4th page of that ad, both Walmart and Target will honor the price.

http://weeklyad.toysrus.com/ToysRUs/...tionViewMode=2


Edit: You have to enter a store location before the special ad will show up.