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    Have you ever had a moment in a game where something occurs in the story or events that you simply cannot accept? Something which, like midichlorians, you simply decide to wipe from the story. It didn't happen, and official canon be damned. I was going through a few of these in my head yesterday, and I wanted to share. Spoilers will ensue, though for most games I mention, it's beyond the statute of limitations for spoilers, so they're unmarked.



    -Chrono Cross: The fall of the kingdom of Guardia. Chrono Cross has a lot of problems (most of which can be summed up "it's a sequel to Chrono Trigger when it should have been a new IP"), but few worse to me than the initial setup for the plot. In 1005, the Kingdom of Guardia is invaded and destroyed by the Kingdom of Porre. Wait, what?

    By the end of Chrono Trigger, Chrono, Lucca, and Marle all return to Guardia. Each one is essentially a combat god capable of wiping entire armies out with a single spell, and together they get even more powerful. You're expecting me to believe that an army from a dinky little po-dunk town in the middle of nowhere, with nothing to its name except a beret and a generous mayor somehow defeated the only three magic users on the planet?

    Oh, but it gets better. Yeah, the reason it was able to do this? Dalton. You know, the joke boss? The one who commands the army of the weakest minions in the game? The army that a single character can tear through without even breaking a sweat? And this guy, this pathetic frelling joke, somehow manages to defeat a guy who is capable of soloing the devourer of worlds?

    No chance. No way. It just doesn't happen. How anyone can be expected to take the story seriously when the entire setup is dependant on Dalton being a credible threat is beyond me. It'd be like Ultros showing up at the end of VI and killing Terra, Edgar, and Celes to become the new king of Figaro. It'd be like the Antarans returning after Master of Orion 2 to wipe out your empire. Oh, wait...


    -Master of Orion 3: The fall of the Empire. One would think that the atrocious gameplay would be reason enough for this game to suck, but the developers decided to destroy the plot as well. The setup for MoO3 is that the Antarans, the bogeyman race from MoO2 that harass you throughout the entire game until you finally kill them, turned out to not really be dead. Instead of destroying their home planet in another dimension, which is what MoO2's plot states, you actually just wipe out an outpost, and they return later to eliminate you. The problem? By the end of the game, they're a bigger joke than Dalton.

    See, you can't investigate the Antaran homeworld without committing your forces there. You don't want to send a minor fleet, because you know these guys are nasty. They've been harassing you the entire game, and by this point you likely know that their armor, engines, computers, and shields are all better than yours. If you lose the fight, you'll probably lose your biggest fleet along with it. So, what is the result? In nearly every game I've played, what rolls into Antares is a fleet of about 300 ships equipped with multiple planet destroying Stellar Converters apiece, each of which is capable of destroying any Antaran warship (of the 9 or 10 they have guarding the planet) in a single shot. Even if you haven't reverse engineered their technology, you can wipe out the entire defense fleet with a single bloody ship.

    And these guys somehow get uppity again and manage to wipe out my empire? Doesn't happen. My fleets literally destroy planets because its more efficient to build them from scratch than to deal with their low resources or toxic environments. My empire builds warships by the hundreds because its the only way to prevent economic collapse because the government has too much money. We have an entire galaxy or resources, and an immortal emperor guiding us. And that little race manages to wipe us out and destroy the entire series while they're at it. No thank you. It's not like 4x games need direct sequel plots anyway. I mean, are we supposed to believe that Civilization V takes place after the death of your spacefaring race from Civ IV?


    -Final Fantasy Tactics: King Delita and the death of the Princess. This is a good game, and I've never tried to say otherwise. But I do have a lot of problems with it. Perhaps the worst, however, is the ending. Pretty much from his first appearance, I'd been convinced that Delita was a villain. At the end of the game, he becomes king. And he then proceeds to kill his new wife, a princess who was a character I was quite a fan of. And all of this happens because Ramza is too much of a wimp to do what needs to be done and slit the jerk's throat any of the dozens of times you see him. The guy can stroll through the entire Church of Glabedos without breaking a sweat, eliminating the Rukavi and anything else that looks at him funny in a heartbeat, yet he never even attempts to wipe out this sociopath whom he could have killed at any time, and the princess dies because of it. And this is your reward for beating the game. A view of the world now being led by a self obsessed meglomaniac who kills anyone who gets in my way, while Ramza goes running off into the night. Worst hero in any Final Fantasy ever.



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    The end of Rage. Plain and simple. Playing through all of that just for that ending.
    You hold my heart in your manly hands I wanna feel the throb of your handsome gland. I wanna hold you tight like a newborn kitten, against my flesh like a cashmere mitten. Tickly tick, I'm makin' skin bump heaven and all the way down it's lookin' cleanly shaven. Prickety pricks, it's stubble on stubble I better slow down or I'm in real trouble. Want you, touch you, feel you, taste you! Knick knack whacky whack 'till I see the man stew. spin you around let me see that hole! I'm a tunnelin' in a like a short hair mole. Once I'm inside I'm gonna leave a trace, half in there and half on that face! One finger, two finger, there fingers gone! Mano a mano I love you John!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balzac View Post
    The end of Rage. Plain and simple. Playing through all of that just for that ending.
    This, except replace Rage with Prince of Persia (2008). Biggest what the hell ever.

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    There are a lot of plot points that bother me, but I'll stick to ones I actively ignore their existence.

    Desmond and the First Civilization in Assassin's Creed, I'm fine with a secret war between two secret societies that are battling to control man's fate but I absolutely never cared for the Sci-Fi elements with Desmond nor did I like the First Civilization nonsense. Had I actually cared, I'd probably would have been pissed at AC3's ending but I largely ignore those elements of the plot as much as I can.

    The Compilation of VII, I am not a huge fan of VII but even I can't accept how bad these milking titles really messed up the narrative given in VII. So no, I don't believe any of it happened and VII is still a stand alone game. In fact let's just say for the sake of arguments that we'll lump all the sequels to main FF games here as well. So no After Years, X-2, XIII-Trilogy, or Revnant Wings.

    I'm starting to think this way about Big Boss's backstory, while I love MGS3, I don't like how Portable OPS, Peace Walker, and MGS4 have painted him as this sympathetic anti-hero whose bulltrout from the Metal Gear titles is handwaved as Snake just not realizing what he was really doing. I like stories about noble figures reaching their breaking point and turning into villains it is just not done as much as I would like but all the post-MGS3 Big Boss stories have basically made him into a good guy who is only evil cause Snake doesn't realize he's working for the bad guys. I prefer Outer Heaven being Big Boss' wrathful revenge against the U.S. government and the world for how it treats soldiers like pawns, not his secret army to wage a secret war with an old army buddy and his A.I. computers. Also I wish they would stop milking The Boss in his stories. Both Portable OPS and Peace Walker have great scenarios that get bogged down with it just being one giant wank fest for Big Boss to moan about what happened to The Boss and reaffirming his belief in what she wanted for him. Peace Walker even has BB forget crap that happened in MGS3. What do you mean you don't know why the Boss did it? She told you like four times in MGS3.

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    Agree about Chrono Cross, the game was pretty meh compared to Chrono Trigger but it was still interesting and unique in a way and then it throws that dumb plot-line with Chrono, Lucca and the rest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyblade View Post

    -Final Fantasy Tactics: King Delita and the death of the Princess. This is a good game, and I've never tried to say otherwise. But I do have a lot of problems with it. Perhaps the worst, however, is the ending. Pretty much from his first appearance, I'd been convinced that Delita was a villain. At the end of the game, he becomes king. And he then proceeds to kill his new wife, a princess who was a character I was quite a fan of. And all of this happens because Ramza is too much of a wimp to do what needs to be done and slit the jerk's throat any of the dozens of times you see him. The guy can stroll through the entire Church of Glabedos without breaking a sweat, eliminating the Rukavi and anything else that looks at him funny in a heartbeat, yet he never even attempts to wipe out this sociopath whom he could have killed at any time, and the princess dies because of it. And this is your reward for beating the game. A view of the world now being led by a self obsessed meglomaniac who kills anyone who gets in my way, while Ramza goes running off into the night. Worst hero in any Final Fantasy ever.
    ophelia stabs delita first. he pulls out the knife and stabs her back.
    Final Fantasy Tactics #131- "Ramza...What Did You Get?" - YouTube
    edit: i'm not defending him, but there's more to the scene than just delita being more of a dick.


    anyway, ff8 GF dementia effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by krissy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyblade View Post

    -Final Fantasy Tactics: King Delita and the death of the Princess. This is a good game, and I've never tried to say otherwise. But I do have a lot of problems with it. Perhaps the worst, however, is the ending. Pretty much from his first appearance, I'd been convinced that Delita was a villain. At the end of the game, he becomes king. And he then proceeds to kill his new wife, a princess who was a character I was quite a fan of. And all of this happens because Ramza is too much of a wimp to do what needs to be done and slit the jerk's throat any of the dozens of times you see him. The guy can stroll through the entire Church of Glabedos without breaking a sweat, eliminating the Rukavi and anything else that looks at him funny in a heartbeat, yet he never even attempts to wipe out this sociopath whom he could have killed at any time, and the princess dies because of it. And this is your reward for beating the game. A view of the world now being led by a self obsessed meglomaniac who kills anyone who gets in my way, while Ramza goes running off into the night. Worst hero in any Final Fantasy ever.
    ophelia stabs delita first. he pulls out the knife and stabs her back.
    Final Fantasy Tactics #131- "Ramza...What Did You Get?" - YouTube
    edit: i'm not defending him, but there's more to the scene than just delita being more of a dick.


    anyway, ff8 GF dementia effect
    Oh, I know she stabs him first. He deserves it. I'd have done it too. I wish she'd succeeded.

    It doesn't change the fact that Ramza could have, and should have, done the same thing back in the beginning of the game, or any of a couple of dozen times throughout the story.

    And it doesn't make the moment any easier to bear. Ophelia was a great character, and Delita was a sociopath. The guy didn't deserve to marry her, didn't deserve to be king, and didn't deserve to survive the story, let alone wind up killing a character so much better than he was.
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    FFVII compilation. I'm not sure why you would want to retcon the story like that.

    I'm on the record for Xenogears and its facially shocking, but substance-devoid religion references, like the Ethos and child molestation and the scene where the Gears are crucified.

    And now I'm going to argue...

    Skyblade & Final Fantasy Tactics

    Ramza didn't kill Delita because he was too busy trying to stop milennia-old demons from enslaving the world and killing everyone. Delita and Ramza both had the same objective - subverting the grand plotting of the nobility and clergy which had always led to the killing of innocents. Delita just did it through a lot of ambitious backstabbing. Plus they were friends and Ramza blames himself for Delita's sister's death. Delita's ending is perfect. He tries to stop the morally relativist cycle of ends justifying means by... employing a scheme of moral relativism of the ends justifying the means. He thought change was only possible through playing by the rules, and his ending is accordingly ironic. FFT is arguably the crown jewel of hardcore JRPGs and I think the player is thoroughly rewarded for its completion.

    Wolf & Big Boss

    Big Boss has been built up as a good guy since the original Metal Gear Solid retconned him and his status as Snake's father. Everyone in that game idolized him, and the Solid Snake in that game is a man wracked by grief and rage over killing his own father, leading to his complete disillusionment and distrust with the United States government and its special forces. Kojima sacrificed the original Metal Gear games in order to build a deeper story with relevant themes that go beyond a soldier on a mission. And Porable Ops and Peace Walker both dealt with the same subject matter because only Peace Walker was directed by Kojima. They were both games in which Big Boss dealt with The Boss' death because they had to be; we needed to see how Kojima intended to handle it. Lastly, at the end of MGS3, he only learned what The Boss had done, he still refused to understand why she had done it.

    Have you listened to the bonus tapes towards the end of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krissy View Post
    ff8 GF dementia effect
    This.


    "... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by krissy View Post
    ff8 GF dementia effect
    This.
    ^A good one.

    Also when we are reminded in FFX-2 that Brother is Yuna's cousin...
    FF13 Snow's organization just happens to have the same name as Hope's mother...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shauna View Post
    Prince of Persia (2008). Biggest what the hell ever.
    Oh dear, I'm playing that right now.
    I like Kung-Fu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krissy View Post
    anyway, ff8 GF dementia effect
    You really are just like me.

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    FF8 that moment when it turns out they all came from the same orphanage and all that other jazz. I still to this day cannot get my head around that.


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    Ja. Repeating what everyone else said about VIII. Was the first and only time I immediately quit playing a game from the story. lol.


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    All of FFXIII's overplot from Chapter 9 onwards.

    Also:

    Quote Originally Posted by krissy View Post
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