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    There are a smurfload of monsters in Final Fantasy VII. We see that Shinra are responsible for creating some monsters in the Nibelheim reactor, and I believe there is talk of Mako leaks making animals mutate and what not. But Professor Gast and Ifalna add another source to the mix: they are the Cetra, mutated by (presumably) Jenova's cells.

    So we have three possible sources of monsters. Is there any discernible way to distinguish them? Are they all legitimate? Could each process have created similar monsters? I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND FINAL FANTASY VII DOESN'T HAVE A 'THEY CAME FROM THE MOON' SIMPLE ANSWER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiro View Post
    ... and I believe there is talk of Mako leaks making animals mutate and what not. But Professor Gast and Ifalna add another source to the mix: they are the Cetra, mutated by (presumably) Jenova's cells.
    Those were not Cetra. As you might remember, they did not find Cetra except Iphalna, her daughter and a Cetra which was not a Cetra but just a shapeshifted body (shapeshift/mimic ability Sephiroth uses as well to change appearance, can also change speech and language) of JENOVA's true form (Synthesis), looking like the brethren of Cetra to be with them and slowly infecting them. Cetra which mutated died in the process of JENOVA absorbing life, which is the reason why it uses the cells in the first place.

    The sickness you get from the viral cells was shown as regular mutation/getting weaker/getting life drained away, Degradation and Geostigma, the last one heavily combined with Sephiroth's will and other peoples' hopelessness as JENOVA cells work with both the body and the mind. An additional case is Cloud's confabulation which subconsciously lets him read Tifa's memories and mix them with his own to create half-truths, that he is fully convinced of while supressing the contradictory memories. But that is not the kind of sickness that is the same. When it comes to that I could also count being mind controlled and all and that is something different than the mutation.

    There are the normal humans that are injected with JENOVA cells and the Cetra. The Cetra were almost completely eradicated during the process. The humans were mainly SOLDIERs and important main characters as well as main characters who actually had the cells as parental cells.

    The monsters (with an actual monster-like transformation) are:

    - JENOVA
    - Sephiroth (Rebirth, Sepher) (currently dead)
    - Genesis (Avatar)
    - Angeal (Penance) (dead)
    - Mutated Cetra (dead)
    - Hojo (Herectic, Lifeform) (dead)
    - clone mutation monsters (S, G, A)
    - SOLDIERS with heavy mako and JENOVA injection (dead)

    When we have normal monsters - Final Fantasy VII has the same myth as Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X has an explanation for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    I don't think you can really lump every opponent into the category of "monster" as X did so neatly with "fiend".
    You may not take the English translated version, of course. As Lifestream and Farplane are of the same matter all these things work with the same concept.
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    I don't think you can really lump every opponent into the category of "monster" as X did so neatly with "fiend".

    Still, the real question on everyone's lips is: How the smurf did the Houses in Midgar become sentient and attack you? How did that happen?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Still, the real question on everyone's lips is: How the smurf did the Houses in Midgar become sentient and attack you? How did that happen?!

    Hojo seems like the kind of guy who would think it would be fun to try infusing houses with JENOVA cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty_ffgamer View Post
    Hojo seems like the kind of guy who would think it would be fun to try infusing houses with JENOVA cells.
    Or Squirrels that throw with money.

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    I think Cloud was just hallucinating most of them to fit in with his whole 'SOLDIER Hero' persona.
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    Interesting that the FFX explanation aids here given the connection. But yeah, we have so many varieties of monsters, hard to figure out an origin for them all

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    Genesis of the monster sounds like a rock band, with Genesis as the lead singer xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiro View Post
    I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND FINAL FANTASY VII DOESN'T HAVE A 'THEY CAME FROM THE MOON' SIMPLE ANSWER.
    Haha, where's your " Final Fantasy 8 stinks at storytelling " thing now ?

    It may of had the infamous Orphange thing, but at least it simply told us where the monsters came from, the moon.

    * starts singing Sweet Victory from Spongebob Squarepants *


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    I love Final Fantasy VIII though

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    I just kill monsters, I don't care where they came from *typical American response*

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    They came from the planet's asshole.

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    they're just animals dude lmao
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    I heard you were quite an animal in the honeybee inn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallomrslug View Post
    Rufus: Hey guys I'm heading to McDonalds what you having?
    Palmer: Just a salad for me

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