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    Don't do heroin, kids. RIP PSH.

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    I am way beyond upset over this

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    I think I just sharted.
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    The best talents are always insane, drug addicts, or a combination of both. RIP Hoff. Definitely one of the best actors there was, and could cry on camera like no one else with red face and all.

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    A good dude. I haven't seen enough of his movies, but I greatly enjoyed Magnolia. Sucks that he has such problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty View Post
    A good dude. I haven't seen enough of his movies, but I greatly enjoyed Magnolia. Sucks that he has such problems.
    I think "had" may be the more appropriate tense.

    Dude was a god damn acting power house. Even in movies like MI3 where acting ability wouldn't seem all that important the man knocked it out of the park.

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    He made every movie he was in better. It's a shame that he went out in the standard celebrity drug overdose. I thought he was above such things.

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    I recognize the name, but can't for the life of me remember if I've seen any of his movies.

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    Why heroin, man. Couldn't you have gotten addicted to something that doesn't kill you as easily instead?
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    This is probably a worthwhile opportunity to rant about the war on drugs, because it is looking increasingly likely that it killed Philip Seymour Hoffman. It is suspected that the heroin that killed Hoffman was laced with fentanyl, a painkiller that has directly caused a large number of drug overdoses recently (this is just the most recent article I found; there are plenty more). Fentanyl is a much more potent painkiller than heroin and greatly increases the chance of death by overdose; as a result, fatal overdoses have spiked recently. Evidently it shows up because it "makes up" for poor-quality heroin. It is also so remarkably strong that it is extremely difficult to dilute it properly and safely, especially when it's being handled by clandestine makers, and can easily kill someone not habituated to a stronger dose. This mix is therefore much, much worse than pure heroin.

    The fact that such a shoddy and dangerous mix can even be sold is a direct consequence of the war on drugs. The result of heroin being illegal is that the consistency and purity of the drug cannot be regulated, and people ingesting or injecting the drug really have no idea what they're taking. Keith Richards managed to avoid overdosing in twenty or more years of using the drug because he always, always used the same amount, but he also was fortunate enough to have a source that provided him with heroin of a consistent purity and potency. With the drug market not being regulated, the drug becomes vastly more harmful, since apart from its addictiveness, it is arguably less harmful to the body than alcohol when a consistent amount is consistently used. The difficulty is, of course, in using a consistent amount consistently when you don't actually know what you're getting.

    Of course, we have to note that some people seek the heroin-fentanyl mixture out deliberately because of its potency, but even bearing that in mind, the illegality still affects drug users negatively because it is so difficult to dilute the mixture safely.

    It's also worth noting that addicts frequently overdose when they resume using after stints in rehab (which Hoffman had recently visited) because they may go back to the dose they were using before they cleaned up, which they no longer have the tolerance for.

    Anyway, people are inevitably going to use this to call for stricter policing of drugs and whatnot when it's in fact a direct consequence of the war on drugs that we even have so many overdoses, and it pisses me off. The whole idea that keeping the drug supply illegal will make people safer has been completely and utterly discredited; people who are addicted to potentially dangerous substances are not concerned with the legality of their drug of choice. Setting up safe injection sites where addicts can be assured a safe, untainted supply that is not likely to kill them (either through needle infection or through overdose) is far less harmful to society than trying to eliminate the supply of drugs. Even Richard Nixon understood this, which is why he set up methadone clinics. Unfortunately, modern politicians are completely clueless, and until there is a sea change in the way drugs are handled, many more people will continue to die unnecessarily.

    But really, until the details are confirmed we can't be sure what happened. A huge tragedy, though. There were few actors in his calibre (Daniel Day-Lewis and Meryl Streep are the only two that come to mind) and I can't even imagine how awful his family must feel.
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    The war on drugs killed PSH? Come on. He had an addiction to a dangerous (and rightfully illegal) substance. He should not have broken the law to repeatedly use the substance in the first place. It's a terrible loss to the entertainment industry, but he's responsible for his undoing, not the government.

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    It's dangerous because it's illegal, as I already pointed out. A person who routinely uses the same dose of pure heroin has very little chance of overdosing and practically none of dying from it. Because dealers take to lacing their supplies with even more dangerous substances like fentanyl, though, and also because the consistency of the drug is not regulated, the risk of overdose is greatly increased.

    Portugal decriminalised drugs around ten years ago and has seen overdoses fall by a huge margin. Vancouver's safe injection site has had similar results. The criminalisation of heroin directly contributes to drug overdoses.
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    Man, that sucks. smurfing drug addictions. Bad luck dude

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