Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham

[ShunNakamura]

Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD - YouTube

So anyone watch this? I suppose watch isn't right for me. I was on other tabs, but I did listen. I wish it had been on TV. I think I missed some graphs/slides or some such.

However, I am not sure I would describe them as the most elegant speakers I have ever heard. I mean Nye even made a call out to the Seahawks(ok, that made me laugh). I'll admit I haven't listened too closely. Seems most of it is the standard rehashing.

So am I the only one bored enough to put this on?

[noxious.sunshine]

I listened to about 10 minutes, but got distracted and bored. lol

[ShunNakamura]

I listened to about 10 minutes, but got distracted and bored. lol

Yeah, I sorta checked out at first. They are at the question and answer phase. It is a bit faster paced now and in general more interesting. So far it seems Nye saying Science doesn't know everything and about the joy of discovery. While Ham seems to keep saying 'there is a book out there that answers that'.

So maybe not that interesting.

[Freya]

I was behind when it started, was getting off work so I listened to Ken ham's first point for about 15 mins then was able to skip the rest cause, COME ON. He was basically using the point "see other scientist agree, that means i'm right." I just finished listening to Bill's first 30 min one. Listen to the whole part there. He was basically fact fact. "This tree is older than 6000 years. Sooooo the earth can't be just 6000 years old".


I'm on the rebuttals now. Bill is kicking his butt. Haha

[ShunNakamura]

I'm on the rebuttals now. Bill is kicking his butt. Haha

As bad as the Seahawks kicked the Broncos?

[Dr Unne]

Debating creationists lends them credence, like their view is one of several valid views, when it isn't. I wish scientists wouldn't engage with them.

[Freya]

He just called what Ham does is like magic, and while he appreciated it as a kid it's not what science needs xD

Nye is doing this cause ham has been bothering him about it forever now. He finally was like FINE.

I'm on the Q & A now. This should be good.

[Del Murder]

What's the opposing view to creationism? Evolution? Or are we talking Big Bang here?

[Freya]

Ken ham has a museum stating with "scientific fact" that the world/universe is only 6000 years old.

Bill Nye states, that's silly because of actual scientific facts.

It's supposed to be Evolution/big bang/anything in normal science vs creationism of the whole 6000 years fact.

[Shlup]

Evolution, yeah. Nye's basic stance is that a literal interpretation of the Bible has no place in science, and giving it attention holds society back. Ham's stance is that science and a literal interpretation of the Bible can go hand-in-hand because scientific evidence of the past is open to interpretation and there are Christian scientists who have made significant contributions to science (such as the guy who created the MRI machine).

I'm only on Ham's opening argument though.

[Freya]

His whole point for the opening point and his first 30 is "these guys are scientists! That means i'm correct" basically. Which, come on.

[Del Murder]

Ok thanks. I was confused by Unne's statement because a creationist theory for the initial creation of the universe is worth debating amongst other explanations, but obviously the Bible and the 6000 years thing is a bunch of hooey and doesn't deserve the time of day.

[Dr Unne]

Yeah, sorry, I'm referring to young-earth creationists, which is what Ken Ham is.

His Creation Museum has exhibits of science-wrecking-balls smashing down churches, and little kids playing with dinosaurs and crap.

[Pumpkin]

I don't want to listen to this. People who say the Earth is only 6000 years old give other religious people who know better a bad name. They've pretty much proven the Earth is more than 6000 years old, guys. Please stop.

[Shlup]

When Bill was doing the math to show that creationism's "evolutionary orchard" (versus evolutions "tree") would mean that for the past 4000 years there would be at least 11 new species evolving a day, they showed for a moment what I assume was the creationist half of the audience, all super frowny as hell with their arms crossed. xD