Knights are the best job class, and I am prepared to defend that statement.

[Jay Ayanami]

No one is getting the point.

Knights are not good because of their intrinsic job abilities. I never argued that. They are the best because of what they can equip and because of their resulting HP totals, etc.

They have crappy abilities, yes, but that does not matter when you can use Math as a secondary skill. Knights are the best. There is no argument.

*laughs*

I have discussed this several times with many people. I can just do a Level 3 Raise 2 whenever I need to ressurrect. Or a Level 3 Holy to heal and hurt my enemy at the same time. I am not sure, but I don't think Reflect Mail works on calculated attacks. At any rate, I can always just use my physical attacks. I can just let one person stay behind and heal the ones you manage to kill. At one point or another, I will be able to strike. And you will die. Try to ressurrect, and you waste a turn not killing me. Meanwhile I can still use Raise 2 and Holy. Besides, my people can move the 8 squares that Earth Slash can affect!

[Blackmage]

As far as I'm concerned, you're mainly saying that Excalibur is the best weapon in the game, the Calculator ability is the best in the game, and that Haste is the best status in the game. This is all that I have gathered. You're basing everything on those three items. While I'm trying using the Monk's abilities to my advantage, you're using the Calculator's Math Skill to your advantage. And so, I now bow down in respect; to a certain point, however. You should consider changing the title of this thread to "Excalibur is the best weapon, and I am ready to defend that statement." Just food for thought. If you're gonna say that Knights are the best class with other abilities, don't make them depend on one weapon. That's just what I think. If you aren't going to make them depend on one weapon, I sure hope you pick the Monk class as the best class with other abilities because they are. And as Big Ogre Umaro said before: "I don't have any fun when my characters are too powerful." This is just getting boring now...*shrugs* *thinks you should change the name of the thread to "Excalibur-Equipped knights are the best job class in conjunction with other classes, and I am prepared to defend that statement."*

IF the Equip Sword ability could be used to equip Excalibur on anybody, then, yeesh, they'd all be able to kick butt. Even Summoners with Short Charge, Excalibur, and Calc. could beat your knights.

But, heck, just have 5 female people, all with Chantages, and then I could call it a day...

[Raistlin]

I've noticed something:

Jay: there's one flaw in your plan. What if his monks aren't at a level which you can target them with math skill? If they are, and he moves them strategically to avoid certain levels, and he starts with 0 Exp, you'd have to depend entirely on CT to hit any of them(you might get about two, but no more probably). He could then have the rest(we'll say three) of his monks cast Lvl 3 spells on your Knights, most likely killing them.

Most jobs that could get in a turn before your Knights get in two could win using the strategy above. However, you could counter that by switching your levels around(some prime, some divisible by two, etc.). But you already said all at Lvl 99.

[Jay Ayanami]

No.

No, no, no.

I chose my words carefully. Knights are the best job class (and I did note that this was excluding special job classes). Knights are the ONLY, I repeat, ONLY unit that can use KNIGHT swords.

I was right in saying I meant Knights.

Calculators suck because they have a crappy speed base. ANY job class can equip a secondary job class, and I noted in the first thread that it was the best "in conjunction with othere job classes".

The ability to USE a knight sword is an INTRINSIC ability OF the Knight. Therefore, it is like saying Monks can not use their own innate abilities. Furthermore, you cannot argue that I am saying an ITEM is the best, firstly because I am not, but more importantly because it would be like saying your Monks can not equip items.

Chantage is easy enough to deal with. You must remember that my attack will hit ALL your people, killing you in one turn. At any rate, Chantage does not ressurrect you with full health.

Raistlin:

There is no flaw. Sooner or later, I would be able to target his character. They are all the same unit, so their CT would be the same. Anyhow, if he planned on doing ANYthing to me, then I could use EXP as a target, and there is always height to use. Most people here prefer to use level 99 characters for the obvious reason that they are the strongest (generally speaking). It does not matter though. I will, in all liklihood, be able to target him in some way or another. If he targets me, he will probably not kill me; please note first that I get my turn before he does; please note secondly that Monks are NOT magic users; please note thirdly that I have the best armor. There are more reasons, but I don't think it would be reasonable to state them all.

Game, set, match.

Oh yeah...I have haste, and I have yet to see a team that could have their turn before me AND guarantee enough turns to kill me completely.

And that I am all on level 99 is not some "trick" that you figured out. Its just that there is no reason for me to have it any other way.

[Jstncloud]

Hey you guys argue too dang much who cares who is better than who you will not be able to battle each other on fft unless a new version comes out so stop belly aiching aight. But if i had a logical comint i would go with nights with the two sword abiliy and a more powerful sword.

Jstn :magus:

( Cid has spoken heed hi words )




"Wish there was a way to battle each other than th fft game would be much much more exciting!"

[Blackmage]

Well, let me just compare the baseline stats...

Knight (Ramza)

HP: 356
MP: 97
Move: 3
Jump: 3
Speed: 11
AT: 18
MA: 11

Monk (Ramza)

HP: 400
MP: 97
Move: 3
Jump: 4
Speed: 13 *
AT: 20 *
MA: 11

So, in theory, Monks have more Speed and Attack power without any equipping at all than your Knights do. So, a group of 5 female Monks with the Setiemson and Power Sleeve, along with Magic Attack UP, Move+2 (since they can't have Move+3), and Hamedo, would be able to defeat your Knights on account of speed and range! All 5 female Monks would go first and use Earth Slash or Lv. 3 Flare! And so...die. If you want to play with Haste, I'll gladly play...hehehe...

[Chris Lionheart]

Originally posted by Jay Ayanami
No.

No, no, no.

I chose my words carefully. Knights are the best job class (and I did note that this was excluding special job classes). Knights are the ONLY, I repeat, ONLY unit that can use KNIGHT swords.

Really what about Equip Sword?

[Black Mage]

Originally posted by Chris Lionheart



Really what about Equip Sword?

You are missing it, a Knight sword is not an ordinary sword. A Knight sword is a sword like Excalibur and Ragnorak. They can't be used with "Equip Sword" and I believe only the Knight class (aside from special characters) can use them.

[HugiEugie]

I do think the knights class is pretty darn awesome. I especially liked the way he looked and his sleek white cape. Also, the exclusiveness of the all mighty knight sword to that class only made it a better class, since the chaos blade and excalibur simply rocked! However, I didn't like the break ability of the knight. It was useful SOMEtimes, actually, rarely. First off, you had to be close to the enemy, and when I was right next to them, I figured that it was better to slash at them and bring them even closer to death's door rather than break their equipment.

I think a better way of using this ability was to equip it on a chemist or a mediator. With their guns, they were able to break the armor of people that were way farther away. This helped because guns didn't do that much damage and getting rid of their armor did more damage than the gun. But for the knight's case, it's a little different because the knight's attack can do more damage.

Another thing is that by the middle of the game, I always threw away all my normal characters and began to use only special characters. I always used either Agrias, TG Cid, Beowulf, Meladoul, Mustadio, Worker 8, Reis (she has very high HP level!) and Ramza of course. Agrias, TG Cid, Beowulf, Meladoul, and Ramza are able to use knight swords and armor in their first class, so it sorta got rid of the usefulness of knights, plus, their jobs had better abilities like sword magic, all swordskill, holy sword, guts, and Meladoul's ability, which was much like the knights but it had a much better range and it looked a lot cooler!

In the beginning, the knights class was useful, but as time progressed, the usefulness died out.

[Kaeru]

I'm just guessing that Jay Ayanami here is using some GS power. Please...you know that he must have 99 of all items...he was so confident till Mwok told him about how many Maximillians there were in the game Never named what eq he has that's *normal*, either. Don't tell us now, it's useless ^_^

Just go for the Samurai/Lancer pick. Knights can only be good so much. Sure, the knight swords are nice, but I'll leave that to Ramza or some other special character that can normally use it. I'm usually not too keen to change a class just to use a good sword with useless abilities (man, did they suck).

Plus, Lancers can hit enemies two squares away, to boot. While you cast your Holies, I'll be safe in the skies...

[Raistlin]

Jay:

I was not specifically talking about his monks. I was using any class as an example. I also said "moved strategically" so you could not use height. Your knights get in a turn right away; you MIGHT get two of your knights to target him on the first round using CT and the height that they started on, killing 2, 3 max. Then, the person that challenges you has 2-3 units where he can target you by your units' level. If his units were leveled up as wizards, you are dead.
There is no "sooner or later." Your characters could be dead before the first round is over.

[Jay Ayanami]

Before I go on, let me make it perfectly clear (and the comment which I am about to respond to absolutely does not deserve a response; it is nearly an insult to everyone's intelligence) that my team of Knights does NOT require the Maximillian or the best armor. To accuse me of using a Gameshark is a copout of an argument; you believe that I could not possibly beat you unless I sharked my game, which I did not. All I need are the Excaliburs, and you can get as many of those as you like in the game without using the duplication trick or a Gameshark.

Don't waste my time (or anyone else's) with that crap.

[Kaeru]

FFT2 could be very successful if it included an online mode(NOT ONLINE EXCLUSIVE), to play against your friends...Petetion, anyone?

We would then finally know what the best class is...whatever that class may be.

[Don Quixote]

Do us a favor, Jay, and don't defend the knights. You make them look worse than they actually are. I'm currently addressing the team you used on the first page. If you updated it, I didn't look for it. I just replied to the first.

That team is so bad, and 1 wizard can destroy it.

Just use this unit:
Wizard
Brave 97 Faith 84

Math Skill
MP Switch
Magic Attack Up
Move-MP Up

Wizard Rod
N/A
Thief Hat
Black Clothes
Sentiemson (I think that's the one that gives Auto-Haste)

Even if you choose Sprint Shoes, this wizard will go before them. Since you have no evasion whatsoever, all that's needed is 1 spell to knock your entire team out. Just do L3Stop, whichever is preferred, and you can't do anything. I forgot whether knights and wizards have 10 or 11 base speed, but in the former case, the knights will have CT 91 on the first turn, and 92 in the latter case. In the latter, the wizard will have to use Stop then Flare, but in the former, she can simply use Petrify and get it over with.

Using only 1 class, especially with only 1 setup pattern, is the epitome of stupidity. You've exhibited that quite well, and boasted about it?

[Ramza7K]

i havnt read every post here but the best job class is knight depending on what abilities and items you equip.

For example, if you give ramza 2 sword ability you can equip Chaos Blade and Excalibur, which gives him Auto regen and auto haste