Knights are the best job class, and I am prepared to defend that statement.

[HugiEugie]

Originally posted by Garland
Oh, and I should mention, there's only one legitimate Excalibur in the game, from Orlandu. I forgot who said there were many

If I remember correctly (i hope i do) you were also able to poach a certain monster and be able to buy an Excalibur. I think that's what they are trying to say by that there were many Excaliburs. I think that was how I got my first one too. However, it is impossible to get more than one maximillian, which kinda sucks. I also accidently sold my Eustacheon, the best one, because I thought it was a regular Eustacheon. <sighs>

Knights are great. Seriously, I agree with Jay Ayanami. Way to go there on your part. Although everyone's dogging on you, I'm pretty impressed at how you're doing. Sure, some of the things you posted don't seem to make logical sense and half the time you're relying on luck, but FFT is actually a game heavily based on luck. I've once seen a character with a speed of 3 have two more turns than a character with a speed of 9. Logic and Luck don't mix, so don't even bother people. Logic can't be explained by luck and vice versa.

Knights are a great class. Although I don't agree with the best, they are a great class nonetheless. I love 'em especially in the beginning of the game. Sure, break ain't that handy, but heck, I can almost confidently say that half of the abilities in the game aren't worth learning. You know what I think sucks even more? Heaven and Hell. That ability sucked big time. And also, the female knights didn't look that great, but the male knights were TYTE! And their armor and weapons were worth looking at and getting. SAVE THE QUEEN!!! hehehe! This may be my opinion, so don't rebut against it... I think that TG Cid, Temple Knight, Holy Knight, Dark Knight, and etc. all somewhat go under the Knight class in a way... So, all together, Knight would be in a very distant way, the best overall class... I think...

I also think lancers are cool. I just wish that you could check when they land before you use their jump ability... Samurais, Monks, and Ninjas are also great. As you can see, I'm sort of a sucker for heavily armed classes (exception of ninjas and monks) and not much of a magic type of guy since I don't like to charge or wait. I love raw power, and in my opinion, Knights, Monks, Ninjas, and Samurais take the cake. But hey! If you like magic, fine! Be my guest, and flare, holy, and Meteor away! Just give me swords and i'm happy. Oh god, I'm becoming just like fighter... swords... shiny swords... hehehe...

I think that the best party would have to be a whole party of Tiamats or a whole party of Workers (I can dream... can't I). Those would be great! I could just imagine my party of workers crushing the hell out of poor little goblins and chocobos.

I can literally tell Jay's getting quite pissed. But I don't think you should be using such harsh words. You, after all did bring this on by saying that your party of knights can take on any other group. I don't agree with that particular statement, but I do agree that knights are the best job for the first half of the game. That wasn't quite a educated statement IMO. But that doesn't give you (others) the right to call him stupid either. He obviously likes knights and you probably won't be able to change his opinion, no matter how much you yell at him. Every person has their "thing", you say tomato and I say tomato... uhhh... I guess that only works verbally... Anyways, calling each other stupid doesn't seem pretty mature at all. I think you two could do without any verbal abuse...

KNIGHTS ARE GREAT!

[Jay Ayanami]

I am not so much pissed as I am in utter digust. If you disgree, handle it like you did. Don't stoop to personal attacks. A bold statement is not an invitation for personal attacks; there is no room for such comments (e.g. "you're stupid", etc.) in a civil debate.

[The_Stranger]

Hello all, I'm new here and I'm not quite as Knowledgeable about Tactics as ya'll are. But I am interested in this "best party" debate.

I'll grant this, that party is pretty tough. But I'm of the beleif that nothing is impossible to beat.

Of course one of my characters has to be male, Ramza. I dunno what I'd do with him. Another unfortunate thing is I'm assumming that he would have to survive the battle. These are the rules of the game.

I've never had level 99 characters, heck I havn't even beaten it yet. but I'm still having fun playing. grin.

Lets try this.

Ramza, Bard.
eq shield (The Big Escutcheon Shield)
MA switch
MA on Move
Thief Hat
108 gems

4 female Mages
Math Skill
eq Shield (Ageis Shields) There are more than one of those I think.
MA Switch
MA on Move.
(With Chantages)
Ribbons or Barettes to cancel the status effects.
or maybe Feather hats for speed and magic +1
h bags not to attack. but for the +1 speed.

Chamelon Robes on all that can wear them.

Now My hard part is surviving the first wave of attacks. The First wave of Flares will hurt us both alot. That is of course if the Knights still attack first. I'm not sure. if My speed + items will offset your haste or not.

Assuming that I do survive the first wave. I think I could end up winning. It would still be tough though.

With My mages I would calculate level 3 frog, I wouldn't have to worry about my guy and gals getting frogged. I'm sure I could frog prolly at least 2 of your guys maybe 3 if I'm lucky.

I'll take my chances with my 50% magic evade to help protect me.
I'll also have to try and raise pour Ramza.

I'll also cast level3 holy. and heal my guys (as well as yours).

I should be able to take away one of your fighters per round with some sort of status ailment. While Ramza is either setting my ct to 100. or speeding us all up. (except when I gotta raise his butt.)

Of course you could try and cast a Level3 frog. but you will be chancing turning your other guys to frogs too.

Now you know I'll run my butt off from you. I'll never attempt an armed combat with you on that. but If I can Keep a 3 guys of yours outta the battle with Frog, or Don't act, or something like that. I'll win.

Of course with some bad luck... I'll get toasted. either way. it would be fun to watch...


Have fun. and Go easy on me... I'm new after all. Laugh.


While I think my group would beat yours. I don't think it would beat any battle in the game. Yours would prolly would win with out any difficulties.
So as an all around party, yours pretty much Kicks butt, Mine is only an assasin squad for your guys. tehehehe (Just kidding)



The Stranger

[mog42]

Math skill knights would be pretty much invincible in the game. The only party I can think of that would beat them is a party of monks with brave 97, faith 3, and blade grasp. The knights wouldn't be able to attack unless they wanted a hit percentage of 3, and their magic would be rather ineffective against a party of faith 3 people. Meanwhile, the monks would have basic skill and would be accumulating to the point where an earth slash would deal 999. Then they could start attacking. But since your knights all have haste, at least one of them could do a lv3raise2 and bring all the dead ones back before they all got finished off. The only thing that would work then is if all the monks were female and equipped with setiemsons. This perfume gives them haste, so they might possibly win, considering that monks have a slight speed advantage over knights. Then again, this is just a party I made up now to see if anything could beat your knights. This party doesn't exist in the game, so you won't have to worry about people with low faith and blade grasp. Therefore, I can agree that a party of math skill knights would be one of many possible ultimate parties in fft. My personal favorite is all math skill wizards with blade grasp, 97 brave, 94 faith, magic attack up, and chameleon robes. The basic goal is the same: to kill of enemies with holy and heal yourself at the same time, although most of the time I don't need to heal since the enemies never hurt me.

[Mr Bean]

I can't believe i read this whole thread.

I am new enough not to argue stats and 'possibilities', but I would like to contribute a couple points that were mistaken in this thread:

1. Knights' abilities ARE useful against monsters:
-Speed Break
-Power Break

2. Knights have break abilities that are not shared by other "Knight Classes" (speed break, power break, magic power break)

3. More of an argument: There really is only one "Knight Class". Special characters are special variations of the SQUIRE class. The only argument that they are knight class is that they can equip knight swords. But they can also equip non-knight clothes, no? Ooh, actually I may be wrong on that... But I argue that they are a beefed up SQUIRE class.

Therefore, (sorry Jay) Orlandu's primary ability must be Knight, to claim that knights are the best class. But I'm perfectly ok with a claim that "4 knights plus Orlandu squire" is the best team.

[Mr Bean]

Actually, I don't think Jay's original post of this thread included Orlandu anyway. But for those who argue special knights are a knight class, argument #3 above is for you.

Argue against it, but I won't agree with you, because my Orlandu, Agrias, Meliadul, Gafgaron, etc. have the option to change to "Knight" class!!

[allkaiser]

Wow, this is a long thread. Let me say how you could use those same tactics to get a better party.

Full party of Summoners

Equip sword
Excaliber

Calculate

You can use the same holy-tactic, but it'll do at least twice as much damage because of the Magic power difference. Also, you can use summons (better than the knight's abilities), and your other spells with rock also. The summoner party will probably win, because you can use other calculator skills in combination with spells like flare to do more damage. Or you could always slow or stop the enemy.

Also, damage split would be a better counter-attack, most likely.

Only problem I see is that I'm not sure you can use the excalibur with the the "equip sword" ability.

[Mr Bean]

yep, that's the problem. And that's pretty much one of the ONLY reasons knights are being argued as best class (with Jay's setup, that is).

[Tokki Wartooth]

pfft. lancers are better, no questions asked.

knights abilities suck

[Mwork]

................................. O_o


What's this? Someone actually on the Lancers' side?

[mog42]

Here's a list of reasons why I think lancers are better than knights.
1. Lancers can use spears, which allow them to attack from farther away and avoid counterattacks
2. Jump can't be avoided except by blade grasp, and has a huge range
3. Lancers actually have a movement ability (ignore height) and it's a very useful one
4. Dragon Spirit is useful, even though my lancers almost never get killed
5. Break isn't very useful. Most of the time, its better to kill people than try to break their weapons with a 38% chance of success.
6. Knights have to go right up next to an enemy to do anything, and that exposes them to danger. With a lancer, it is very unlikely that you will even get close enough to the enemy for them to attack you.
7. If I was to play the game using only one job class, I would definitely choose lancers, with monks as a close second.
8. And finally, lancers have way cooler sprites and portraits.

[Tokki Wartooth]

*agrees with post above*

yeah...cos whenever i fight knights in the wild or wherever, i can always kill them before they even come close to me. so...yeah. that's the reason you get knights so early, and you hafta wait soo long to get lancers. cos lancer is better.

*ducks*

[Deception]

You're team may be invincible to the computer, but if the game where to be played online those Knights wouldnt stand a chance think about it a Summoner or some high magic point user can have the faith rod on and be in Auto Haste (a few was) and probally cast level 3 death as a calc skill and/or Flare maybe even sleep which comes in handy more then enough times... while the other units may vary can just jump your sleeping guys or bust out and the percentages of indirect magic attacks with knights with good prevention equipment will be about 50% at best. And having Ramza as a squire with a monk skill i believe can be very deadly. And if anyone doesnt know this Blade Grasp is the best counter technique!!! having all your guys with a 3% chance of getting hit... but then again it doesnt protect against 2 swords... =) but o well. If you think pure knights are good think again a variation is better your strat would be better if you had a little variation like your knight with the calculator skill as a Summoner (nothing can excape from Zodiac with the faith rod on =) other then with the Inocent spell.

[Tasslehoff Burrfoot]

! simple team that could beat your would consist of either Ramaza or a summoner with Zodiac and the rest mimes. Have ramsa cast ultima or the summoners summon Zodiac and have the mimes mime it untill all the other units die. You can also give them the calaulate skills and chamelon robes and to heal cast level3 holy. If you need more then u can mime it. also the ultima or zodiac will do massive damage, probally killing atleast one unit. Then come the other 4 mimes with the same attack. U lose

[Mwork]

1. Zodiac is not calculable.
2. Ultima is not calculable, and it doesn't dish big damage.
3. By healing yourself, you'd also run the risk of healing the Knights.