Knights are the best job class, and I am prepared to defend that statement.

[Mwork]

ANyway Mwok I see where your coming from but ultimate does NOT mean ubeatlbl just the best. Notice hwo he said ulimate not perfect. The ultimate team would be the strongest and most effecient not neserily the team thay couldn't be beat.

If you're the best.....then you are the strongest, the most superior.....you've surpassed the rest.

Agree?




Now, if there's someone out there who can beat you, then you haven't surpassed the rest, you're not the most superior, you aren't the strongest. In other words, your not ultimate........¿no?

[Tdblitz]

PSSSSSSSSSH. Knights blow.
Master calculators Could ruin ya. And when I mean master, I mean Fully 'quipped with all Time magic, black magic, white magic, and Ying yang magic. You could be petrified, Holied, Fire 3'd ,frogged, demi'd, EVERY Black magic , Time magic , White magic and Ying Yang spell, MINUS the casting cost, and CASTING time. And no, calc spells cant be reflected.


Yeah, I have master calcs, but the only spells they cant cast from Black,white, etc are Cure 4 and Meteor (for obvious reasons). The possibilities are endless, as calcs can judge by height, AT, exp and level, Odd and Prime numbers.
Hahahahaha would sure suck to be you if you went up against me .

[Tdblitz]

btw, you could play 50/50 through out an entire battle using petrify, getting some, then missing them this attempt. But hell, its been ages since Ive put FFt into my PSX console, beating it in 1 sitting sure gets rid of its playability huh? :P.
(like, one 6 hour movie if you time it right).

[Summon Illusion]

...based on what you're saying I'd say you haven't even read this thread. I will disregard your message now.

[Tdblitz]

No, I havent. But is there a problem with someone running in, spilling coffee all over your shirt, while the rest of you were already shooting each other with hoses filled with scorching nabob coffee?.

[Summon Illusion]

You're still totally missing the point.

[Mwork]

Tdblitz, the thing is Jay's arguing that Knights are the best Job, if you use them in conjunction with other Jobs. He says Knights with Math Skill are the best..

[Summon Illusion]

Above that, a calculator class party would lose even if it was calclulator against knights, with just abiltiies from their classes (disregarding all magics, since it would sort of defeat the point of math skill if the magics weren't selectable). Even in that case, since an average calculator's speed is 3, the knights would all have 3 turns before any of the calculators would. No, 4. haste's on. Even if the calculators had setsimon (damnit, I can't spell that), then it would still be 3. The knights would reach them by them, and either kill them or break them.

[Tdblitz]

Originally posted by Summon Illusion
You're still totally missing the point.

OK, someone made a claim about Knights being the best job in FFT, and said he was "prepared" to defend that statement.

Ive seen some flame war pass over, with Jay correcting grammer and such, then someone challenging his well done part with a group of 6 female ninjas, and the assumed battle result.

I know for a fact, Knights arent the best job in the game.
Sure, they can equip some tasteful armor, with plenty of attributes, But that wont compensate for their lack of speed, and range. And depending on the map, a Knight could either be at his advantage, or at his worst. TAke the slums battle in the first chapter, the battle just after the wiegraf scenario. 1 knight would have to make quite a climb up those stairs, where those 2 archers are. And a KNIGHT ALONE, would NOT have Move +3. So it would
take quite a few turns to get to those archers.

Tell me, would an ordinary knight be invincible to the random success rate of a calculator? or the calculators math skill?. Its either Jay is ignoring all these factors OR this ENTIRE THREAD is about him obsessing about his own party, having the knight skill PLUS other attributes.

which one is it?.
If its him gloating about his "special knights" with other attributes, then thats him saying " MY KNIGHTS are the best job in the game". And this entire thread is just one persons attempt to gloat about how good their party is.
Trust me, Nothing is better than having a party of 4 , all masters of every job given to them.

Oh, so if it isnt knights in my opinion, what is the best all around job to be in?. The one given to Orlandu, what was it, Master swordsman or something along those lines?.
AN ARMY of master swordsman could rape anything in the entire game. Think about it.

[Tdblitz]

Ok, so wait, what if Orlandus job is "out of bounds" because of its cheap skill? , Im assuming thats what Jay would be at next. What about Dragoons with math skill, Move +3 at the abandoned fort, near the end of chapter 1?. Can Knights really get to the top of that roof?. I dont think so. But Dragoons can!, With one of their abilities, what was it. Jump all? or something? (SHOOT ME! ITS BEEN an entire year since I last touched the game after beating it in one sitting).
Knights cant possibly jump that high, and to my recollection, they only have +1 jump? or something no where near close to +3 jump.

And if timed right, Those Dragoons could do quite a bit of damage. But see, The thing is, Jay added, Math skill, which
contradicts his entire statement "Knights are the best job in the game". And now this sounds like a battle for title of "my party can whoop all parties".

Seriously, if yer gonna change the rules like that, then what makes Orlandu's class so sacred?. What if a whole bunch of Master swordsmen went up against your precious party?, How good would you do then?.

Oh wait, I forgot, lemme give them attributes that werent apart of their job originally, just like Jay. And Make the FALSE contradicting statement like: "MASTERSWORDSMEN ARE THE BEST IN THE ENTIRE GAME."

Trust me, Take any fast class, Ninja, Ramza's Squire, whatever, and add "math skill" with all the spells in their book, and you're pretty much out 50/50, BOTH parties.

[Summon Illusion]

Dude, he has calculator skills on as well. So he'd be able to hit the guys on the roof. Above that, there's Jump+1, +2, +3, AND IGNORE HEIGHT in case you didn't notice.

[Jay Ayanami]

"Jay if you keep flaming people and trying to look cool *snorts* than this thread will be locked. Can you guys stop bickering like immature elementry students and get back to having an intelgent debate?
ANyway Mwok I see where your coming from but ultimate does NOT mean ubeatlbl just the best. Notice hwo he said ulimate not perfect. The ultimate team would be the strongest and most effecient not neserily the team thay couldn't be beat."

For Christ's sake, get off your high horse, Yuffie. You are flaming more than me and as I said before, I am the one who alerted mods to the thread. Just don't be righteous.

As for the arguments about how the team you proposed to play against me being good, you are wrong. That team would fare poorly against any team with low faith. You could have any combination of strong warriors with low faith that would crush them utterly.

And Blitz, you don't know what you are talking about. Clearly you have not read any of this thread at all. Don't criticize until you educate yourself on the subject you refer to. It is pointless and annoying to all parties.

[Tdblitz]

Yeah but Jay, yer claim is kind of pointless then. "KNIGHTS ARE THE BEST JOB IN THE ENTIRE GAME"

When you really arent making that claim, rather "KNIGHTS WITH ADDED ATTRIBUTES FROM OTHER JOBS AND MATHSKILL ABIILITY MAKE THEM THE BESTS IN THE ENTIRE GAME".

So seriously, either Rename the thread, or stick to what you've claimed from the beginning, Because Knights alone arent the best job in the entire game.

[Mwork]

'''''As for the arguments about how the team you proposed to play against me being good, you are wrong. That team would fare poorly against any team with low faith. You could have any combination of strong warriors with low faith that would crush them utterly'''''


I'm a little confusticated here.....so clear this up for me wouldya?

What team is it you're referring to here?

[Summon Illusion]

Couldn't both teams have low faith? Then the average would be the same so it wouldn't make much of a difference. Also, you wouldnt' be able to cast raise 2 or heal yourself with holy very well with the low faith, right?

And um...no comment - -;;